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PostSubject: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:51 am

"America is like Rome."

This could be true. But in response I like to say that the Roman Empire is much greater then the Roman Republic. I am not really a supporter of Communism because of how easy it is to degenerate into a form less then a Dictatorship but a horrid Tyrancy.((not a real word)) But could America break from its laughable form of Democracy and turn into an Empire?

The greatest evidence for a Militaristic Dictatorship in America is coming is all that is happening to Earth itself. Global Warming, Overpopulation, Lack of Oil and to a lesser extent Tungsten((Dont hear much about it but it is running out and it is the primary ingredient in Lights and Non-Lead Bullets!)) will cause wars in third world countries over simple things like cars and food. America will probably do fine but we are not immune to a global environment crisis.

As it has in History more then once but largest in 1929..the world will be poor. It could of happened at the same time that Facism and Communism were on the rise. One man who promises jobs, food, and a way of life will take on the will of the people and take control of the government. Dont say it couldnt happen in America for it almost did happen and it DID happen in my humble opinion in the form of one Franklin Roosevelt. The man served for over a decade. His administration lasted longer then Hitler's did.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:55 am

Capitalism also often degenerates into a dictatorship. Especially in Latin America.

Roosevelt is the only American president I like. He brought many socialist reforms to USA. Most of them exist until now!

I dont believe the world will get worse. People get wealthier all the time and sooner or later capitalism will be replaced by socialism. There is enough wealth for everyone.


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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:57 am

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Capitalism also often degenerates into a dictatorship. Especially in Latin America.
Most Governments do. A country has to be Strong to resist a Tyrent though..Dictatorships in themselves are not bad unless that man is bad.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:59 am

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Kenzu wrote:
Capitalism also often degenerates into a dictatorship. Especially in Latin America.
Most Governments do. A country has to be Strong to resist a Tyrent though..Dictatorships in themselves are not bad unless that man is bad.

And usually they are bad. Even the most benevolent dictators will become bad after some time, because they start believing they are godlike. Life long power isn't good for anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:05 am

They also need to keep conquering stuff. Napoleon, Hitler, Ceazer, even Tzar Peter the Great. When they stopped they were doomed.

IMHO a Global Depression would be needed to make a drastic change such as Communism in America or even your dream of a socialist EU eh comrade?
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:14 am

In my view USA is an empire.

As I have said in other threads, in my view, the fact that US engulfs other countries economies with its products and companies and that it forces them militarily into countries that politically do not let US companies and products in, makes US an Empire.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:04 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
In my view USA is an empire.

As I have said in other threads, in my view, the fact that US engulfs other countries economies with its products and companies and that it forces them militarily into countries that politically do not let US companies and products in, makes US an Empire.
To an Extent. The United States has not gained territory since the early 1900's and our leaders our not Emperor's. I am talking about making all of North America and mabye the middle east fly our flag under a single life-long ruler.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:08 am

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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
In my view USA is an empire.

As I have said in other threads, in my view, the fact that US engulfs other countries economies with its products and companies and that it forces them militarily into countries that politically do not let US companies and products in, makes US an Empire.
To an Extent. The United States has not gained territory since the early 1900's and our leaders our not Emperor's. I am talking about making all of North America and mabye the middle east fly our flag under a single life-long ruler.

USA conqurered or bought most of its territory Empire-Style.

As for an "old school empire" nowadays, completely doubtful. It won't happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:25 am

why not have an old school Empire?

Rome itself came from a republic that was much like the American system. Communism in the USSR was ((in a way. It did not meet qualifications.)) in many ways an Empire that sprouted from an Older government then the republic.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:34 am

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why not have an old school Empire?
You won't have it. No one will allow you. However you have a capitalist Neo Empire.

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Rome itself came from a republic that was much like the American system. Communism in the USSR was ((in a way. It did not meet qualifications.)) in many ways an Empire that sprouted from an Older government then the republic.

Yeah, and Rome existed in a very different epoch. Mussolini wanted to bring back to life the Roman Empire in the 1920's and you see it didn't work, it would be even more difficult now.

USSR was no communist neither USSR was an empire. USSR inherited territory from an empire but it didn't annexate any nation except for the Baltic States but it was more for a military strategy than really trying to conquer those nations. As for territories gained to Japan it was more like a war bounty.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:43 am

"Mussolini wanted to bring back to life the Roman Empire in the 1920's and you see it didn't work, it would be even more difficult now."

That was because he was a psyco fascist. Like I said it can not happen now because the world is not ready. It will not be ready unless the worst happens and all that stuff you hear about Global Warming is true. People will get desperate when they are not able to eat.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:45 am

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"Mussolini wanted to bring back to life the Roman Empire in the 1920's and you see it didn't work, it would be even more difficult now."

That was because he was a psyco fascist. Like I said it can not happen now because the world is not ready. It will not be ready unless the worst happens and all that stuff you hear about Global Warming is true. People will get desperate when they are not able to eat.

Most probably left wing movements will gain the upper hand in most places..
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:53 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Diogritor wrote:
"Mussolini wanted to bring back to life the Roman Empire in the 1920's and you see it didn't work, it would be even more difficult now."

That was because he was a psyco fascist. Like I said it can not happen now because the world is not ready. It will not be ready unless the worst happens and all that stuff you hear about Global Warming is true. People will get desperate when they are not able to eat.

Most probably left wing movements will gain the upper hand in most places..
It could all slide into place as it has in the past...or someone could solve global warming and the bush family could control America for more years..that would crush an Imperial dream, but I dont see that happening ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:01 am

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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Diogritor wrote:
"Mussolini wanted to bring back to life the Roman Empire in the 1920's and you see it didn't work, it would be even more difficult now."

That was because he was a psyco fascist. Like I said it can not happen now because the world is not ready. It will not be ready unless the worst happens and all that stuff you hear about Global Warming is true. People will get desperate when they are not able to eat.

Most probably left wing movements will gain the upper hand in most places..
It could all slide into place as it has in the past...or someone could solve global warming and the bush family could control America for more years..that would crush an Imperial dream, but I dont see that happening ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:57 pm

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"Mussolini wanted to bring back to life the Roman Empire in the 1920's and you see it didn't work, it would be even more difficult now."
I think that it worked , Mussolini concoured Etiopia and Albania. So it was something like Empire.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:04 pm

Does it really matter if it was an empire or not? It has committed crimes against humanity, which were really bad!
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:41 pm

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"Mussolini wanted to bring back to life the Roman Empire in the 1920's and you see it didn't work, it would be even more difficult now."
I think that it worked , Mussolini concoured Etiopia and Albania. So it was something like Empire.

Nothing like the Roman Empire which controlled the whole Mediterranean.

Kenzu wrote:
Does it really matter if it was an empire or not? It has committed crimes against humanity, which were really bad!
Well, this guy Diogritor would like USA to be a old-school like Empire, that's why we were talking about the plausibility of USA becoming such.
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PostSubject: unlikeley   Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:25 pm

usa wuld never starve it would invade each and evry cuntry of the world and make it it's slave but make it feel independent, like in irak and afganistan.
the roman republic was nothing like todays govermets the only pepole how could get elected were the super rich and powerfull..........wait that's just like america!.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:07 am

mattabesta wrote:
usa wuld never starve it would invade each and evry cuntry of the world and make it it's slave but make it feel independent, like in irak and afganistan.
the roman republic was nothing like todays govermets the only pepole how could get elected were the super rich and powerfull..........wait that's just like america!.
Exactly! And Global Warming will make the "bread basket" a desert wasteland so no more easy food for us... Russia will be in good shape though..as will Canada..
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:34 am

mattabesta wrote:
usa wuld never starve it would invade each and evry cuntry of the world and make it it's slave but make it feel independent, like in irak and afganistan.
Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan are yet under US control... how can you expect US to invade and conquer much stronger nations than Iraq or Afghanistan?

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the roman republic was nothing like todays govermets the only pepole how could get elected were the super rich and powerfull..........wait that's just like america!.

How strange...
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:42 pm

For a while, the US has done to other countries what the British once did to it. In many countries, when the US doesn't like the leader, they plan a coup and carry it out. Then, when they don't like the new leader they put in, they plan another coup. Just look at Fidel Castro and Saddam Hussein.
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PostSubject: Re: Imperialist America ((Radical Idea))   Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:14 am

Jinnyjinster wrote:
For a while, the US has done to other countries what the British once did to it. In many countries, when the US doesn't like the leader, they plan a coup and carry it out. Then, when they don't like the new leader they put in, they plan another coup. Just look at Fidel Castro and Saddam Hussein.
yeah your right the us is bad
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