Religious socialism?

What do you think about combinations like Christian socialism and islamic socialism? Should a religion shape socialism, should socialism shape a religion, or should they be separated?

separated.

makes no difference

Socialism should shape religion.

There are some doctrines of some religions which oppose socialism. Else we have to understand that many religions, at least most or all of the mainstream religions were born in a context much different than nowadays world and in a context which in many ways was either opposite or greatly far from an even seemingly socialist context.

So, religion should not stop existing as long as it does not contradict socialism.

Jesus Christ was a Communist. Think about it.

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Jesus Christ was a Communist. Think about it.

Pretty well said

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

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Jesus Christ was a Communist. Think about it.

Pretty well said

Ha, Never thought about it, but now that you mention it, it seems likly, even if he himself didnt know what it was at the time, though, i am not religous, , if all that did happened i mean

RedNation wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

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Jesus Christ was a Communist. Think about it.

Pretty well said

Ha, Never thought about it, but now that you mention it, it seems likly, even if he himself didnt know what it was at the time, though, i am not religous, , if all that did happened i mean

And jewish vere capitalist's?

Patetine wrote:

RedNation wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Quote :

Jesus Christ was a Communist. Think about it.

Pretty well said

Ha, Never thought about it, but now that you mention it, it seems likly, even if he himself didnt know what it was at the time, though, i am not religous, , if all that did happened i mean

And jewish vere capitalist's?

Actually no one clearly knows what Jesus stood for... if you take the Evangelic texts as good source for Christs ideas, then, he was in favour of slavery, social inequalty and even some misoginy. Anyway if you speak about Jews, well, they seem to have been for long while capitalists.

@zealot
I would definitely like to see some quotes to underline your previous statement
also don't mock the jews too much, even though it might be true

Jesus was actually for equality. He asked the rich to give to the poor and he helped all the people in need whenever he could. I dont think he supported slavery!

i think the most social religion is Buddhism, if you look around in the world you never hear about a Buddhist suicide bomber or about a Buddhist crusade. and since it is a religion with out a god so the only thing you can dislike about it is the Buddhist believer,

Religion is the opium of the masses

Religion + any form of Dictatorship = What Nazism was about.


No

Diogritor wrote:

Religion + any form of Dictatorship = What Nazism was about.


No

Which is why we must abolish dictatorship.

Voice of Reason wrote:

@zealot
I would definitely like to see some quotes to underline your previous statement
also don't mock the jews too much, even though it might be true

With pleasure, I just have to search for them. I will.

As for Jews, I'm myself of jewish ancestry and my family used to be within Jewish community... for the record, here in Mexico you have to pay 70 USD monthly to the community until the day you die in order to be allowed to be buried in a Jewish graveyard.

In capitalism religious institutions are business-oriented private clubs.

@Ryom Whether Buddhism worships a god depends on the sect you're following. Hinayana, Mahayana or Vajrayana.
I think Hinayana is the one who claims to have no god. Though whether you worship a god or a Buddha isn' t such a difference.
I don't know about Buddhist Crusades either, but what about Genozide by Buddhists.See History of Sri Lanka.
Religion is the foundation of Civilisation.

@ Diogritor The Nazis were all about Pseudo-Darwinism and Pagan Mythology, the only real resistance in Germany were groups centered around priests. Catholics were just as persecuted by the Nazis as were Jews. Hitler himself founded his own sect called the "Deutsche Christen", aside to his Pagan doctrines.

@Zealot I'll wait
Private Clubs yes, but business-orientated? Don't think so.

P.S. A jewish Communist, now that's something new.

@ Voice of Reason, a Buddha is not a ¨God¨ or someone you worship, Buddha is the ¨Awakened one¨ the first Buddhas real name was Siddhartha Gautama, the founder of Buddhism, and one of the reasons i say Buddhism is a socialist religion is that it has no law about homosexual marriage, a Lama will have no problem marring 2 of the same sex.
One of the reason i became a Buddhist was because it has no ¨Higher power¨ that control my life, i make my own decisions, i make my own fate.

Voice of Reason wrote:

@ Diogritor The Nazis were all about Pseudo-Darwinism and Pagan Mythology, the only real resistance in Germany were groups centered around priests. Catholics were just as persecuted by the Nazis as were Jews. Hitler himself founded his own sect called the "Deutsche Christen", aside to his Pagan doctrines.

Sorry to intervene but:
To say that catholics were as prosecuted as Jews is an exageration. There was no systematic extermination of catholics. Otherwise you'd have seen the Vatican invaded by the Wermacht and 60% of the Axis under systematic extermination. Else pope Pius XII morally supported the Axis.

Voice of Reason wrote:

@Zealot I'll wait
Private Clubs yes, but business-orientated? Don't think so.

Take a look at all the money the Vatican does. Jewish communities get so strong incomes that they're able to pay 7,000 USD monthly to Rabbies here in Mexico and they offer you credits with interest. Else they have Kosher food business. Scientology is a tremendous business.

Voice of Reason wrote:

P.S. A jewish Communist, now that's something new.

I'm not a practicing Jewish though, I'm merely of Jewish ascendance and recognized by Jewish community as Jewish for having made my Bar Mitzvah (they give you a certificate for that) even if the facto I don't practice the religion.

@Ryom
As you're following a Lama you belong to the Vajrayana Branch.
The Dalai lama has frequently asserted that homosexual intercourse is bad for the karma.
(Hope I translate this correctly) The third of the five Precepts on which most Buddhist sects are founded tells people to refrain from sexual misconduct, which by interpretation of most Lamas includes homosexuality.
I know quite a lot about Buddhism and if Buddha was not worshipped like a god. Why does he have temples? Why do people pray to him? Why do they sacrifice to him? Why kill Buddhists non-Buddhists, just because? A God or a Buddha, a jacket as trousers as we say in german.

@ Zealot
You're rigth, that was an exageration. But even Hitler wouldn't attack one of his allies in the middle of a world war. But he was trying to sack the Vatican. I don't doubt that maybe until 1938 the to be pope saw the good sides of Nazism, but after his appointment he started the greatest Resistance movement of WW2. He hid thousands of Jews in the Vatican and in churches around europe. The reason for hitler not to invade Vatican was simple. Fear. The protestant germans were easier to control than the catholics, who on order of the pope were to remain neutral and not engage in war atrocities, if possible.
If you want to say that he could have done more: Yes. But the possible consequences would have been worse, than just remaining silent on certain topics.
Also I'm surprised that you know so much about the Vaticans finances. I believe you worked once for the Bank of Vatican. If not believe me I'm not only catholic, but also way closer to rome than you. The church is amassing debts because it's not holding anything back.

P.S. A rich jew, now that's something new.

Voice of Reason wrote:

@Ryom
As you're following a Lama you belong to the Vajrayana Branch.
The Dalai lama has frequently asserted that homosexual intercourse is bad for the karma.
(Hope I translate this correctly) The third of the five Precepts on which most Buddhist sects are founded tells people to refrain from sexual misconduct, which by interpretation of most Lamas includes homosexuality.
I know quite a lot about Buddhism and if Buddha was not worshipped like a god. Why does he have temples? Why do people pray to him? Why do they sacrifice to him? Why kill Buddhists non-Buddhists, just because? A God or a Buddha, a jacket as trousers as we say in german.

@ Zealot
You're rigth, that was an exageration. But even Hitler wouldn't attack one of his allies in the middle of a world war. But he was trying to sack the Vatican. I don't doubt that maybe until 1938 the to be pope saw the good sides of Nazism, but after his appointment he started the greatest Resistance movement of WW2. He hid thousands of Jews in the Vatican and in churches around europe. The reason for hitler not to invade Vatican was simple. Fear. The protestant germans were easier to control than the catholics, who on order of the pope were to remain neutral and not engage in war atrocities, if possible.
If you want to say that he could have done more: Yes. But the possible consequences would have been worse, than just remaining silent on certain topics.
Also I'm surprised that you know so much about the Vaticans finances. I believe you worked once for the Bank of Vatican. If not believe me I'm not only catholic, but also way closer to rome than you. The church is amassing debts because it's not holding anything back.

P.S. A rich jew, now that's something new.

wow pleas make shorter?

Kenzu wrote:

What do you think about combinations like Christian socialism and islamic socialism?

Christian-yes, because christian religion always opposed unfair enrichment(capitalism). Islam-I don't think so, because islamic religion based on authority and obeyance to traditions, which are not very humanist(basically no rights for women, etc.)

Riddler wrote:

Kenzu wrote:

What do you think about combinations like Christian socialism and islamic socialism?

Christian-yes, because christian religion always opposed unfair enrichment(capitalism). Islam-I don't think so, because islamic religion based on authority and obeyance to traditions, which are not very humanist(basically no rights for women, etc.)

wrong. the koran sais that all are born eqal man and women.
some nut job powerfull kleriks have made all the stupid rules.
but true islam mens obidienc but that dose not mean that all muslims are "slaves" of the rligus men but more of a karma relationship.
you can'T DO ANYTHING to stop what god wants and thus you must simply not protest.
islam also encureges pepole to give alms to the poor.
christianaty DOSE preach more "humane" way's of judgment but has been largly mis interpede and abused over the millenia(last one)

@ Voice of Reason
the Lamas and other Buddhist i have meet have all said that homosexuality does not affect the Karma in nether good nor bad way, and Buddhists ¨praying¨ is in Mahayana Buddhism and still some parts of Tibetan Buddhism, Buddhist temples are used for meditating a place for monks and common people to find peace and rest, and sacrificing is also a Mahayana thing, and just like praying it is not as common as it used to be, and the The Five Precepts is looked upon more ¨loosely¨ now a days, just look at the fifth precept ``As the Buddha refrained from alcohol until the end of his life, so I too will refrain from alcohol until the end of my life.`` i have broken that a lot of times , so much like any religion these days the ¨rules¨ are now look upon as ¨Guidelines¨
and please stop calling it a Sect, i would much appreciate it if you referred to it as a School

A school if that suits you better.
But may I ask a question? If you don't obey the laws of Buddhism, if you refuse to follow the path of the Buddha, why did you convert?

i didnt like a religion discriminating against people that those a different life style, in Denmark there were was a problem with male priest not wanting to shake the hands of the female priest because it said in the bible that women should not be priest. and like i said before i do not like to think that a ¨god¨ chose how i live my life, and the hole world was created by a god, please i am a man of science not religion and Christianity didnt support that so i left Christianity

and does all Muslims follow the laws of Muhammed
does all Christians follow laws of Jesus etc.....

PS. only the monks have to follow The Five Precepts, it is of free choice for the common folk if they want to follow it as well