Climbing down to Democratic Socalism

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

and?
they rock?
also none heard of StatoilHydro?

If those brands are Scandinavian, and they are, it means Scandinavians are also slaves.

Liche wrote:

Stos wrote:

It's not an awesome term, it's fairly redundant.

How so?

Socialism is intrinsically democratic. Arguably there is not something as "non democratic socialism".

Else, the way in which the term is employed is also wrong.

so wtf?
slaves?
you do know the meaning of the word?

Slaves are held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase, or birth, and are deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to receive compensation (such as wages) in return for their labour. As such, slavery is one form of unfree labor

mattabesta wrote:

so wtf?
slaves?
you do know the meaning of the word?

Of course. "One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person" that's what an employee is to the owner of the company he works for.

mattabesta wrote:

Slaves are held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase, or birth, and are deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to receive compensation (such as wages) in return for their labour. As such, slavery is one form of unfree labor

Let's see.... if the worker doesn't work for an enterprise which is owned by others he's bound to impoverish and eventually have his whole integrity threattened for he will lack all the basic needs. By the situation he isn't able to choose on wether to work or not, if he wats to survive that is.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

so wtf?
slaves?
you do know the meaning of the word?

Of course. "One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person" that's what an employee is to the owner of the company he works for.

mattabesta wrote:

Slaves are held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase, or birth, and are deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to receive compensation (such as wages) in return for their labour. As such, slavery is one form of unfree labor

Let's see.... if the worker doesn't work for an enterprise which is owned by others he's bound to impoverish and eventually have his whole integrity threattened for he will lack all the basic needs. By the situation he isn't able to choose on wether to work or not, if he wats to survive that is.

yeah If I don'T work I should be like livin in 5 star place and evrything becuse like, wtf?
dude as a slave you have no choise, atleast you can make the choise to die or not to die.
also, we have always had to work, animals have to do it too, like hunting for food????? same thing

mattabesta wrote:

yeah If I don'T work I should be like livin in 5 star place and evrything becuse like, wtf?

Yes, that's pretty much capitalism.

mattabesta wrote:

yeah If I don'T work I should be like livin in 5 star place and evrything becuse like, wtf?

Where did I even give a hint to that?

I'm adressing the problem that the worker works for an enterprise, for a capitalist. Not that he works.

However, and as Stos pointed out, many capitalists don't work at all yet have extremely luxurious lives.

So the problem is not work but working for someone that thrives at the workers expense. Get the difference?

mattabesta wrote:

dude as a slave you have no choise, atleast you can make the choise to die or not to die.

Workers don't have the choise to live or die. That choise is in the hands of their capitalist masters.

mattabesta wrote:

also, we have always had to work, animals have to do it too, like hunting for food????? same thing

Not only do I not disagree but I think that work is awesome. Work, more than the basis of survival is the basis of development. It's necesary for our happiness, it's part of the human identity. The problem is when this work, instead of being both for the wellbeing of oneself and the community serves for someone to thrive at the workers expense.

i dont think most of you would understand scandinavian politics and such. please dont answer this post i dont want to discuss.
but some day i will post a big topic about international capitalisms age.