A Woman in Berlin

mattabesta wrote:

zelot nobody gives a fuck but you

Completely false. Anyone with interest in defending objectivity cares about that. Also Russophiles, Sovietophils, And sovietologues.

mattabesta wrote:

USSR isn't liked to modren communism.

USSR wasn't linked to communism. There's not something like "modern communism".

mattabesta wrote:

and I read yes they did get to the outskirts with about a 300 man recon troop wich was completly whiped out.

So? What's the point?

CoolKidX wrote:

The need for that?
The need for a movie which shows it sucked in Berlin?

(I don't understand what you are saying)

What's the need to portray the rape of a woman in WWII's Berlin? Like if it was an unknown fact or ther was not enough attention being put to it, or like it was a persistant ocurrence.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

CoolKidX wrote:

The need for that?
The need for a movie which shows it sucked in Berlin?

(I don't understand what you are saying)

What's the need to portray the rape of a woman in WWII's Berlin? Like if it was an unknown fact or ther was not enough attention being put to it, or like it was a persistant ocurrence.

Maybe to let people know it sucks then, and are like "oh it was sucky then and now we all got love, yay!"

But the main reason is prbly to make a movie to get money.

CoolKidX wrote:

Maybe to let people know it sucks then, and are like "oh it was sucky then and now we all got love, yay!"

Have you heard about something called "history books"? Or "history lessons"? Or perhaps "historical documentaries"? Ah and "Cold War propaganda".

With all that, I think this movie doesn't contribute. And I don't expect at all an objective approach from their part.

CoolKidX wrote:

But the main reason is prbly to make a movie to get money.

That, my friend, is one of the most truthful statements to have been written here.

My problem is with their means to get that money.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

zelot nobody gives a fuck but you

Completely false. Anyone with interest in defending objectivity cares about that. Also Russophiles, Sovietophils, And sovietologues.

mattabesta wrote:

USSR isn't liked to modren communism.

USSR wasn't linked to communism. There's not something like "modern communism".

mattabesta wrote:

and I read yes they did get to the outskirts with about a 300 man recon troop wich was completly whiped out.

So? What's the point?

the point is that it´s very unlikly that they mureders a soviet boy in moskow.

mattabesta wrote:

the point is that it´s very unlikly that they mureders a soviet boy in moskow.

Not impossible yet. PLus, they did shell civilian populations with artillery.

But hey, just matter of changing city to Leningrad, Kiev, Kharkov, Stalingrad... dozens of cities.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

the point is that it´s very unlikly that they mureders a soviet boy in moskow.

Not impossible yet. PLus, they did shell civilian populations with artillery.

But hey, just matter of changing city to Leningrad, Kiev, Kharkov, Stalingrad... dozens of cities.

but the title was moskowy, right?

mattabesta wrote:

but the title was moskowy, right?

Yeah, so?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

but the title was moskowy, right?

Yeah, so?

it didn't happen but women were raped by red men in berlin.

mattabesta wrote:

it didn't happen but women were raped by red men in berlin.

So? It wasn't supposed to be a serious example, it was just random, and it's not the focal point.

Zealot...wait I just recalled something you said:

"A child is safer alone in a train station than in a Church"

your kind of contradicting that.

Liche wrote:

Zealot...wait I just recalled something you said:

"A child is safer alone in a train station than in a Church"

your kind of contradicting that.

1. That was said by Tyrong Kojy, I just concurred with him.
2. What the fuck does that stament have to do with this discussion?
3. Where's the damn contradiction?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Liche wrote:

Zealot...wait I just recalled something you said:

"A child is safer alone in a train station than in a Church"

your kind of contradicting that.

1. That was said by Tyrong Kojy, I just concurred with him.
2. What the fuck does that stament have to do with this discussion?
3. Where's the damn contradiction?

well you said "look at the statistics"
and if you look at the statistics here...

Liche wrote:

well you said "look at the statistics"
and if you look at the statistics here...

What? What the hell are you talking about?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

it didn't happen but women were raped by red men in berlin.

So? It wasn't supposed to be a serious example, it was just random, and it's not the focal point.

oh so the focal point was?

mattabesta wrote:

oh so the focal point was?

That the fact taht german troops had murdered a soviet child would have been of far more trascendance and so a better topic for a film since it was product of the reason why German women were getting raped in the first place, it was a much more persisting event and that affected more people.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

oh so the focal point was?

That the fact taht german troops had murdered a soviet child would have been of far more trascendance and so a better topic for a film since it was product of the reason why German women were getting raped in the first place, it was a much more persisting event and that affected more people.

so nazis killling soviet ppl justifyes soviet dudes raping german women?

mattabesta wrote:

so nazis killling soviet ppl justifyes soviet dudes raping german women?

Nope, but it's more relevant and, after all, it's the cause. The Germans provoked all the problem so in my view it's hypocritical to bitch about Soviets raping women when they did a much more terrible mess in USSR and basing themeslves on an ideological foundation.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

so nazis killling soviet ppl justifyes soviet dudes raping german women?

Nope, but it's more relevant and, after all, it's the cause. The Germans provoked all the problem so in my view it's hypocritical to bitch about Soviets raping women when they did a much more terrible mess in USSR and basing themeslves on an ideological foundation.

I sersly doubt that german women aggreed with killing millions of soviet ppl and even if it's lightyears away from justifying it.

mattabesta wrote:

I sersly doubt that german women aggreed with killing millions of soviet ppl and even if it's lightyears away from justifying it.

You can affirm the ammount of german women supporting that slaughter. Anyway, I didn't claim they did. I just said that if soviets raped german women it's because Germans attacked soviets in the first place.

I never said it was justified.