Vote you Section-Admins 2nd Round

Todd83 wrote:

I vote liche

Sorry, you can't vote.

Todd83 wrote:

I vote liche

Tough luck, you need 50 posts, and you only got 19.

EDIT: Oh Zealot was one min before me lol.

Now i can vote and I vote for Liche!

SUCATE

Kenzu wrote:

I don't think they were multiple posts.
And it's too late to talk about it anyway.

You don't think they weere multiple posts.... on which grounds can you say that?

Oh, I remember, for you conjectures and statements are enough. Who cares about arguments and evidence?

Kenzu wrote:

Just so that you know, october 17 is not only a World Republic member, he is a Hero of the World Republic.

He has been awarded this title after saving World Republic alliance in thecoldwars from destruction, when he has been hired by our fierce enemy as a spy, been given a large sum of money to use it against us together with the enemy to deal a heavy blow on our forces, however he revealed the enemy's intention to us, transfered part of the funds to our treasury and our command has combined forces and dealt a crippling blow to our enemy. For his glorious deeds and honesty, october 17 has been awarded the title "Hero of the World Republic" in 2007.

I'm appalled. You're mixing a game with a politics' forum... I have no words...

If this forum was intended merely as a haven for players of the MMORPGs you play, why didn't you stated it in the first place and moreover why making nearly 95% of the forum unrelated to [these] games?

Kenzu wrote:

He is the first person to have ever been awarded such title. You, Zealot are the 2nd.

Yeah, I remember that 7th of november... we were standing on Lenin's mausoleum and tanks were passing by at the tune of "Varshavyanka". It was snowing and then's where you told me "Comrade, congratulations you'll be awarded the title of hero of the USSR, uhm, I mean WR".

Although I was never taught about october17's great act of bravery that could have costed its existance to our marvelous and fair State.

Kenzu wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

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-alex-CCCP-RUS-54321 (consider revising as per voting motives)
-october17 (consider revising involvement outside Aderan wars)
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You must be kidding me.

There are set rules how we count votes, and what do you want to do?
Rig the votes, and turn it in your favor.

Because it is fair to take away voting rights from members who post periodically on our forum, but vote for Liche, however those who vote for Black Cross should be all counted, even though many came just to give a vote and didn't care abut WR for so many months.

Lets see... Alex comes and says he's voting for Liche just because you begged him to do so, what's the damned validity of such a vote? It's not out of conviction, it's not out of interest. It's merely out of some sort of pressure from your part. And the fact that he states it in such a way even renders your position ridiculed evidencing this is more of a fun matter to him.

As, for those that are voting for Black Cross, they're not only within some of the most active and longlasting members of WR (hell, CoolKid is by far one of the most active) but many of them have greatly diminished their interventions here due to your autocracy, the great relevance you pay to ludicrous matters and the fact that you take decisions 1) after relatively long periods of absence and 2) without even wanting to inform yourself on the matter you're to take decisions on. In hopes that BC being elected will improve things in USSR, I mean WR, they come to vote for him.

Again, you don't adress arguements or reasons, you simply come and state that I want to sabotage the election without the least arguement or evidence to back up that statement of yours and actually with all odds against it as my actions have demonstrated.

Jouten Shin wrote:

Now i can vote and I vote for Liche!

SUCATE

Oh yeah. I guess spamistand shouldn't count either. Damn we didn't think about that didn't we? Ha, ha, ha.

Kenzu wrote:

...however those who vote for Black Cross should be all counted, even though many came just to give a vote and didn't care abut WR for so many months.

They didn't care because your on-the-fly autocratic domination of the site drained them of any will to care. That's why a lot of the people who populated this forum during it's zenith have waned in their activity on the site (to name a few: Oligarch, Shabazz [before leaving us permanently], Inkus, Mono).

Kenzu wrote:

@Zealot
If you have better idea who will be eligible to vote, we can make new rules for next election in a year or so.

For an instance someone with at least considerable involvement with WR and with more serious interventions than spam. That's merely logic, there's no need to wait to enforce this, it's plain common sense. Unless of course you're lobbying for the cause of trolls and spammers.

Kenzu wrote:

There is nothing bad in asking friends to vote for someone I feel is best for the position of admin. I think you have done it too.

Keywords: I voted because Kenzu begged me to do so.

In other words "My vote is not out of conviction or any interest".

And no, I haven't except for Riddler. To the others I just reminded them how election was going; they share agenda with BC.

Kenzu wrote:

BTW, I have informed BC supporters of the election too. That might be the reason why most of them came back.

I reminded them two things:

How election was going and that BC was the option to Liche. Without hesitating they came to support whom represents them.

Kenzu wrote:

I didnt send a message to Liche's supporters only.

Lobbying for Liche, I'm sure you did.

Kenzu wrote:

As far as I know Shabazz left because of personal reasons, unrelated to our politics here. He is very busy as far as I know.

Nope. He first came with the idea to create EMY for socialists from this forum to leave towards it and so it happened: BC, Zach, Mononokifool, Alek, WeiWuWei, inkus2000, Stos, oligarch, Ilych and solpacvoicis left WR for EMY with Shabazz.

Then, Shabazz joined a Trotskiyist organization that required him to leave the sites in which he had engaged in political activity. He erased EMY.

Meanwhile I did my best to democraticize this forum and engaged in a months-long battle with trolls and spamemers.

I managed to bring BC, Alek, Zach, Mono and Stos back by convincing them that I was not autocratic at all, that I had the best disposition to clean up the forum from spammers and trolls and more importantly that I'd do what I could to give power to the userbase of the WR which I tried by creating several new democratoid tool and by doing what I could do to enforce popular will. Probably the way things seemed to be going to attracted WWW to post a bit more often than he used to and attracted back Oligarch's and Ilych's attention.

And why did that schism occur? Over plain stupidities like banning people for several days for simple and harmless coarse language and your lack of disposition to deal with trolls and spammers which were overruning this forum. Later on you'd even dare to deffend Calinis (who majestically mocked at your excessive compassion) and enviro.

Trolls taught us something: it's hard to manage a forum in a democratic fashion. They can easily sabotage votations with some cunning and the proper technological and cognoscitive resources. Defacto a forum like this can't be a democracy even so since, after all, the founding Admin has the last word. The best it can aspire to is a Popular Dictatorship in which admins enforce the popular will.

You're constantly absent, you barely read posts, you barely get information and when you come to intervene it's mostly to ban people for the simplest and most ridiculous reasons, reasons rejected already by the majority of this community. Then you dissapear for another while just to come back and ban someone again for the same invalid reasons, without taking contexts into account and without the fairness of a trial initiative approved by the people. You've come to ban those who have insulted you (notice here I hav never banned anyone for insulting me; I've trialed and waited people to decide that offender's fate). You've blocked some of my attempts at increasing this site's democraticity and its security against trolls, you've blocked popular initiatives and at best you've heard some of the concerns voiced to you personally by those uneager to outright direct their voice to this community. That's what your administratorship has been like.


No one is blaming you personally, if that's what you may get, we know you're a busy person that has to attend his studies and job and whatnot actually you seem to have to prepare for a wedding soon. We know you're busy. But, if you're so busy and thus so absent, so alienated from this community... shouldn't you leave things in hands of those that come most often? In hands of those with most compromise with WR? Of those who are most informed? In hands of this community?


WR has degenerated horribly. Lots of members have left due to that. The intellectual level of discussions has dropped sharply. We practically don't even argue about politics, or history, or science here anymore: it's all fights over who's gonna control WR, discussions on how tasty pizza was yesterday, spam, intrigues, fights against trolls. Fights over wether saying "fuck" should be punished with maximum force, bans and complaints about them... WR is collapsing from within.

Instead of doing what we should do which is seeing the best way to grant every single member with freedom of speech, with the tools to excert power over the way this forum should be ran, of making of this place somewhere where we can not only chill out but share knowledges and impressions with each other, we're just fighting over who should become admin or not and nothing else...

Instead of bringing some shine back to WR, it's staining more and more.

If you support Liche that much is because you really think you can mold him to follow your agenda... I hope you don't get dissapointed: Liche could give you some surprises as I did.

At this moment perhaps even it should be better that BC and Liche both became admins, just to have all parties represented within the adminship.

yes, I agree

alright

Kenzu wrote:

"For an instance someone with at least considerable involvement with WR and with more serious interventions than spam."
=> And who will decide what is serious enough?

Common sense dictates it all.

Kenzu wrote:

Since I came back from China I come to this forum every day. My absenses during last summer and spring are irrelevant. People have to behave all the time, not only when I am around. If you can't behave, you don't deserve to be on this forum.

Your absenses have always been of great importance to your administration. You've admited constatly you're quite busy, busy enough not to thoroughlyread others' posts or to get yourself properly informed about the happenings within this community. This has alienated you at least partially from this community.

Everyone has to behave? And who determines what's the way to behave? In a demomcracy, what supposedly this forum should be, the people.

Kenzu wrote:

Nothing is collapsing. Stop making panic! It's typical for those who disagree with current politics to say WR is dead and so on. I heard this many times, especially from BC supporters and probably him as well. I find it dangerous for a person who thinks WR is dead to administrate it.

"Dying" is not "dead". WR's integrity has waned a lot since last Spring/Summer.

Kenzu wrote:

We got over 20 members logging in every day, and over 50 members logging in at least once a month. Furthermore a new member joins WR every two days, since the last one and half years of existance of WR.

Those statistics are deceptive and do not fit to the reality of the userbase that actually intervenes in the forum. Just this winter we had literally dozens of watermelon sockpuppet accounts which actually have represented a considerable percentage of the "new members".

Kenzu wrote:

First we need to see how people are managing the forum, before we give them admin powers.

The only way to manage it is by bein admin. Moderators can do nothing but merely alter posts.

Kenzu wrote:

The intelectual level of discussions dropped because a couple of people came here just to make trouble, and a few others have nothing better to do than to write as many f words per sentence as possible. Provocations won't be tolerated.

The only troubles caused here have been caused by trolls and spammers namely watermelon and his sockpuppets, Rename, calinis and enviro. Yet they haven 't had an impact on the intellectual level of discussions.

Those who have used "fuck" most often are precisely among the ones whose posts have the greatest intellectual integrity within the forum.

Provocations? Which provocations? Cursing a bit?

Kenzu wrote:

We can have a try and give the 3 winners of this election supreme power in a newly founded Region: Free Democracy

Or, the 2 with the most votes will be "presidents" and the other 2 candidates will be members of the FD council.

Presidents: Liche and Black Cross
Council members: Liche (21), Black Cross (18 ), Lilith (11) and Tyrlop (7)

They can have any rules they want and we will not intervene. Do you agree?

Kibutzim fail in Israel.

This is the repetition of the "communist paradise".

Shall things take the course they naturally ought; my effort has been done.

ZK wrote:

Kenzu wrote:

We can have a try and give the 3 winners of this election supreme power in a newly founded Region: Free Democracy

Or, the 2 with the most votes will be "presidents" and the other 2 candidates will be members of the FD council.

Presidents: Liche and Black Cross
Council members: Liche (21), Black Cross (18 ), Lilith (11) and Tyrlop (7)

They can have any rules they want and we will not intervene. Do you agree?

Kibutzim fail in Israel.

This is the repetition of the "communist paradise".

Shall things take the course they naturally ought; my effort has been done.

Oh... i totally misunderstood this. I thought this was pertaining to the judicial forums of the site which we're supposed to mod. I don't think it would be quite as warped as "communist paradise", but it's useless all the same. Not to mention, this is exactly what Kenzu did last time he wanted to brush off his critics.

also, do we still become "Super" mods

Liche wrote:

also, do we still become "Super" mods

Like cyprian you mean? I don't know... but certainly this new Kenzu's proposal has nothing to do with Adminship.


In essence Kenzu doesn't want people to have control over any considerable part of this forum; he wants his arbitrary rules to be followed everywhere except for some "regions" determined by him.

Kenzu wrote:

@Zealot
It's not my rules, forumotion set the rules and everyone of you accepted them and has to follow them!

And who is to enforce these rules if not we or the moderators? Certainly not forumotion without having it reported, so I don't see the need to enforce them if the community is against them.

I vote for Black Cross.

Zeronos wrote:

I vote for Black Cross.

sorry, Its over


and. I change my desisosn. Kenzu, wtf is this bullshit?

first "admin election" that elects not admins but "super" moderators?

I was ok with that.

but this bull shit? Kenzu, you really need to put down somethign solid. so far, it seems like youve wasted my, let alone everybody elses time with this bull shit election of yours.

Quote :

sorry, Its over

Well, basically, but the poll's open until today, so his voice is valid.

Black_Cross wrote:

Quote :

sorry, Its over

Well, basically, but the poll's open until today, so his voice is valid.

oh ok.


and no Kenzu, it hasn't, you came up with "Free Democracy" only a few days ago.

Oh ok, I thought that it took away the supermod rites. Thats cool then.

I personally don't care who gets what. Meaningless to me. Hell, I voted for Liche simply because I did so in round one. SO... yeah.... Didn't I vote for him in round one?

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

I personally don't care who gets what. Meaningless to me. Hell, I voted for Liche simply because I did so in round one. SO... yeah.... Didn't I vote for him in round one?

Yea, you did.