Obama?

MightyObserver wrote:

You removed Bush from the equation with your percentages.

Not really:

Let's say Bush is 150 units.

If Bush is 30% change and 40% hope (in the future of a more democratic world where everyone is free to eat at McDonald's and work for US businessmen) then he's got 45 units fo Change while 60 of hope.

If Obama is Chocolate coated and has 80% more hope and 20% more change than Bush, then he's got ([{60}.8]+60) 108 units of hope while ([{45}.2]+45) 54 units of change.

If Bush was 150 units with a 70% or 105 units of Obamable content and with a Bushily remainder of 30% or 45 units, then Obama simply counts with more units (or more content) by the following parameters:

108 units of hope
54 units of change
45 units of Bushily remainder

In total Obama has 207 units of gross political content. The thin chocolate coat, a byproduct of the 48 units of new change, conforms a great amout of the charisma which doesn't count as unitary political content as it's part of the presentation.

A presentation of Zealot Math Program~~

I refrain, because comparing Obama's first hundred days or so to even Bush's death toll is gonna put Obama in good light, deserved or not; which is why i say: why compare one terrorist dictator to the next? Surely we can do better than that.

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You dont like Bill Clinton?

I would think that anyone claiming to be socialist, couldn't support Clinton (or any other terrorist, neo-liberal, or dictator for that matter).

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I don't think Obama is stupid enough to be compared to bin Laden.

I suppose it just depends on what you call stupid. I think Obama is stupid, just a different kind of stupid.

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

Just something I've noticed here, lately. A solid adversement toward America in general.

More like since the beginning of this site. I can almost guarantee that at least 80% of the original members (which i wasn't one of) were anti US; and it should be quite clear to anyone with a soul why that is.

Also, "in general" is a poor descriptive. I don't think anyone dislikes our freedoms and whatnot, but rather the basis on which those freedoms are preserved, and what we, as a people, have done with those freedoms.

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I dont understand that one bit. Just because America is a police state now dousnt mean that we cant be the same pot smoking liberals who like being better then the world((Were like 10th on every list of stuff that measures quality)) like those pot smoking liberals that founded America.

Who said we can't toke? That's irrelevant. We just care about others, that's all. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, and there's no reason to make anti-US sentiments seem like some mystery.

I voted that he's better than Bush, but that's not saying much.

The intensification of violence in Pakistan is a clear indicator that Bush's legacy of war will live on, and it will, in fact, continue with the Obama administration.

What we're seeing is not that "change" that he promised. We're merely witnessing the admittedly pragmatic reforms to certain existing problems: closing down Guantanamo's prison but not the base itself, continuing through with the bailout, reaching across the aisle with regard to social issues, etc. This clearly does not constitute the radical "change" that people were expecting. For this reason, he might be worse than Bush, because Bush made no such promises - and, of course, one would be wise to not take any promises Bush makes as being capable of getting done, or of even having honest intentions behind them.

But I said that he's better than Bush based purely on the fact that I get the impression that he's not an idiot. I've read two books by Obama and one by Bush, and I've got to tell you that Obama clearly comes off as much more well-spoken than Bush.

By the way, I had a good lol at "pot smoking liberals that founded America."

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closing down Guantanamo's prison but not the base itself

Why would they close down the BASE?

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continuing through with the bailout

I'm still ify on the effectiveness of the bailout. One thing that DEOS need to change is the companies themselves. A lot are simply taking a good part of that mone for bonuses, they're jsut calling it something different. At this point I think some of these CEOs need to start going to jail.

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reaching across the aisle with regard to social issues

First term, second term. IFit happens the he goes more left, it won't be first term. As I've said.

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This clearly does not constitute the radical "change" that people were expecting. For this reason, he might be worse than Bush, because Bush made no such promises - and, of course, one would be wise to not take any promises Bush makes as being capable of getting done, or of even having honest intentions behind them.

I've said it before, his promises at first were BEFORE he recieved the actual reports of what's REALLY going on, the top secret stuff. I do think the dude's doing his best to clean up the massive mess Bush left.

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But I said that he's better than Bush based purely on the fact that I get the impression that he's not an idiot. I've read two books by Obama and one by Bush, and I've got to tell you that Obama clearly comes off as much more well-spoken than Bush.

Terrorisers. Trists. He, he, he. Oh, bush, we'll miss you.

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

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closing down Guantanamo's prison but not the base itself

Why would they close down the BASE?

Becuz all the bases belong to BUSH!

Black_Cross wrote:

I refrain, because comparing Obama's first hundred days or so to even Bush's death toll is gonna put Obama in good light, deserved or not; which is why i say: why compare one terrorist dictator to the next? Surely we can do better than that.

Why would the one that kills 10 be better than teh one that kills 200, right?

BC wrote:

I would think that anyone claiming to be socialist, couldn't support Clinton (or any other terrorist, neo-liberal, or dictator for that matter).

Or better said "no socialist" for we know that those that just claim to be socialist (without being socialist) can do a lot of anti-socialist stuff, including teh creation of capitalist dictatorships with socialist paraphernalia.

BC wrote:

Also, "in general" is a poor descriptive. I don't think anyone dislikes our freedoms and whatnot, but rather the basis on which those freedoms are preserved, and what we, as a people, have done with those freedoms.

Or the fact that anyone has right to delimit your freedom with which, for some reason, not many object to...

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Why would they close down the BASE?

Because the US government is ethical?... The land doesn't belong to the US, so they should give it back. However, it won't be returned to the Cubans, because, well... ethics aren't considered significant.

I thought US was paying for that.

Castro had refused to take their paltry sum of dirty money until he stepped down(fixed) (i don't know what Raul, or whoever's runnin that joint, will do). Oh, and it's 2000 bucks a year.... that's bullshit, because as we know, torture is worth much more to the US government than that, so that's certainly not free trade in any sense that i've come to know it.

Since i assume you haven't seen this, here's the agreement, made in 1903... between the two countries (and this was a poor time for Cuba, right after the spanish-american war so it shouldn't even hold any validity right off the bat).

Guantanamo Bay Lease Agreement wrote:

ARTICLE I

The Republic of Cuba hereby leases to the United States, for the time required for the purposes of coaling and naval stations, the following described areas of land and water situated in the Island of Cuba:

1st. In Guantanamo (see Hydrographic Office Chart 1857). From a point on the south coast, 4.37 nautical miles to the eastward of Windward Point Light House, a line running north (true) a distance of 4.25 nautical miles;

From the northern extremity of this line, a line running west (true), a distance of 5.87 nautical miles;

From the western extremity of this last line, a line running south-west (true), 3.31 nautical miles;

From the southwestern extremity of this last line, a line running south (true), to the seacoast.

This lease shall be subject to all the conditions named in Article II of this agreement.

2nd. In Northwestern Cuba (see Hydrographic Office Chart 2036). In Bahia Honda (see Hydrographic Office Chart 520b).

All that land included in the peninsula containing Cerro del Morillo and Punta del Carenero situated to the westward of a line running south (true) from the north coast at a distance of thirteen hundred yards east (true) from the crest of Cerro del Morrillo, and all the adjacent waters touching upon the coast line of the above described peninsula and including the estuary south of Punta del Carenero with the control of the headwaters as necessary for sanitary and other purposes.

And in addition all that piece of land and its adjacent waters on the western side of the entrance to Bahia Honda included between the shore line and a line running north and south (true) to low water marks through a point which is west (true) distant one nautical mile from Pta. Dey Cayan.

ARTICLE II

The grant of the foregoing Article shall include the right to use and occupy the waters adjacent to said areas of land and water, and to improve and deepen the entrances thereto and the anchorages therein, and generally to do any and all things necessary to fit the premises for use as coaling or naval stations only, and for no other purpose.

Vessels engaged in the Cuban trade shall have free passage through the waters included within this grant.

ARTICLE III

While on the one hand the United states recognizes the continuance of the ultimate sovereignty of the Republic of Cuba over the above described areas of land and water, on the other hand the Republic of Cuba consents that during the period of the occupation by the United states of said areas under the terms of this agreement the United states shall exercise complete jurisdiction and control over and within said areas with the right to acquire (under conditions to be hereafter agreed upon by the two Governments) for the public purposes of the United States any land or other property therein by purchase or by exercise of eminent domain with full compensation to the owners thereof.

So, we know that this was an agreement between the US and its puppet democracy in Cuba, we know the US has actively invalidated this treaty, we know that the Cuban regime has, since 1959 been in protest of the US' occupation of Guantanamo, so again it seems that, by the US' own standards (not to say that they're valid for that reason), they're in the wrong, and this treaty really holds no weight.

For more, see hya

Black_Cross wrote:

Castro had refused to take their paltry sum of dirty money until he died

Fidel Castro died?! When?

I thought Castro was still alive. He's not president anymore, but alive, at least.

he don't changed any shit! i don't trust this nigga! its just a black smiling facelift for this impirialists

her a good movie about obama

http://www.dokus4.me/index.php/2009/04/17/die-obama-tauschung/#more-4965

i think that alot of hype was raised over obama and theres no way he can live up to it

RedSoviet wrote:

i don't trust this nigga!

LOL!

Hahaha, ya, Fidel isn't dead, i was way high. My bad. I dunno what the hell i was thinkin. It should read, "until he left office".

Black_Cross wrote:

Hahaha, ya, Fidel isn't dead, i was way high. My bad. I dunno what the hell i was thinkin. It should read, "until he left office".

Fidels gonna live forever.

Liche wrote:

Black_Cross wrote:

Hahaha, ya, Fidel isn't dead, i was way high. My bad. I dunno what the hell i was thinkin. It should read, "until he left office".

Fidels gonna live forever.

Sure, lol.

CoolKidX wrote:

Liche wrote:

Black_Cross wrote:

Hahaha, ya, Fidel isn't dead, i was way high. My bad. I dunno what the hell i was thinkin. It should read, "until he left office".

Fidels gonna live forever.

Sure, lol.

Well, he will leave his current physical form, and then move in to a new one.

CoolKidX wrote:

Liche wrote:

Black_Cross wrote:

Hahaha, ya, Fidel isn't dead, i was way high. My bad. I dunno what the hell i was thinkin. It should read, "until he left office".

Fidels gonna live forever.

Sure, lol.

Ouch, that one hurts. Funny how many people race to him after he falls, as if he's just been shot by sniper fire or something.