What Brought you in to Politics?

For me, it was my love of Conspiracy theories. This is basic a chart of my intrests from when I was young to now. These interests never left, just they added on to each other.

Animals
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Conspiracy Theories
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The Mafia
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Cuba
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Politics
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Political Philosophy
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Anti Capitalism
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Communsim

I do I start at the top or the bottom of the chart? At the top?

MightyObserver wrote:

I do I start at the top or the bottom of the chart? At the top?

Top.

As for your actual question, the short answer is: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warefare.

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Liche wrote:

For me, it was my love of Conspiracy theories. This is basic a chart of my intrests from when I was young to now.

You're young now.

MightyObserver wrote:

As for your actual question, the short answer is: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warefare.

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Liche wrote:

For me, it was my love of Conspiracy theories. This is basic a chart of my intrests from when I was young to now.

You're young now.

Yes When I was about 2 years old I loved animals, I wanted to be a Zoo Keeper.

I think it brought because... well I dont really know, I was just inresting in the colors of parties and always saw at election days cool posters, so ya then I studied a little on the Dutch pairlement, and now I <3 politics. Yay.

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I wanted to be a Zoo Keeper

lmao XD!
Not that its wrong, just funnny.

My nature as a human being - my need to interact with other human beings, the product of everyone's need to do so and teh product of this interaction through history which allowed me both a physical, mental and emotional development and the constant development of these represented in enhanced cognoscitive, interactive and pragmatic proficiences all of which will be developing until the day I die..

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

My nature as a human being - my need to interact with other human beings, the product of everyone's need to do so and teh product of this interaction through history which allowed me both a physical, mental and emotional development and the constant development of these represented in enhanced cognoscitive, interactive and pragmatic proficiences all of which will be developing until the day I die..

Lol so, in other words, you are a robot designed to interact with humans to help them.

Liche wrote:

Lol so, in other words, you are a robot designed to interact with humans to help them.

Made by the Soviet Union to destory capitalism world wide, for ze future.

No. That's a general axiom.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

No. That's a general axiom.

Yea, but just the way you said it was pretty emotionless.

Liche wrote:

Yea, but just the way you said it was pretty emotionless.

Why should I express any emotion in regards to that?

I probably started becoming politically aware in 2000, following the sham of an election that took place here in the United States - granted, I've come to the point where I kind of have to regard all elections as shams.

Pretty much, here is my ideological history:

Liberal -> Bolivarian -> Socialist -> Anarcho-Syndicalist -> Anarcho-Communist -> Libertarian Socialist

WeiWuWei wrote:

Socialist -> Anarcho-Syndicalist -> Anarcho-Communist -> Libertarian Socialist

Differences between Libertarian socialist and Anarcho-Communist?

As for myself:

4-6 years old, militarist.
6-11 ecoterrorist, sociopath, unaware malthusianist.
11-14 Extreme Zionist (favoured genocide of Palestinians), homophobe - favoured the extermination of homosexuals.
14-15 Social Democrat.
15-17 demi-Leninist, supporter of USSR system
17-19 Supporter of scientific and social dictatorship.
19-20 Socialist Vanguardist
20 - Communist

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

4-6 years old, militarist.

Were we all not like that .

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

6-11 ecoterrorist, sociopath, unaware malthusianist.

kk

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

11-14 Extreme Zionist (favoured genocide of Palestinians), homophobe - favoured the extermination of homosexuals.

How come Jewboy? Why hate gays + genocide on palestians?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

17-19 Supporter of scientific and social dictatorship.

Dictatorship :O?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

19-20 Socialist Vanguardist
20 - Communist

The fuck?
Your 20 now.. I thoguht your ass was red(commie) for atleast from your 18's B-day. How suprisely.

I wasn't interested at all in politics until i was about 16. I found out that i'd been lied to/mislead on numerous occasions in public school. I was fuming over that for a while before i came upon a book that broadened my political conception, bolstered my love for people, as well as pushing me to learn more. I went from there to pick up Capital, read up on Lenin (enter my Leninist binge), found my way to revleft, where i got my first taste of anarchy. After this i found my way here to this site, joined the anarchists, and slowly found myself turning away from Leninism (realizing it wasn't ideal), becoming an anarcho-communist.

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Differences between Libertarian socialist and Anarcho-Communist?

I've always known them to be interchangeable, because i always see that term in anarchist-communist literature.

CoolKidX wrote:

Were we all not like that .

My friends and classmates were not.

CKX wrote:

How come Jewboy? Why hate gays + genocide on palestians?

This was my religious peak stage. My mother got me into a Zionist organization called Hanoar Hatzioni which is something like Zionist boy scouts except more military, nationalist and judaism based (several of the Madrihim or like, let's say "teachers" there had made their military service in Israel). Funny enough I was by far the most extremist Zionist there- guys that had served in the Israeli military that were there were all for peace between Palestine and Israel and I was all about exterminating Palestinians. Why? That was my final solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Now as you know I am more an apologist of the Palestinians, as now I understand the full background of the situation there and understand things from a historically materialist standpoint.

It was also the stage where I was being prepared to do my Bar-Mitzvah and where I was an internet troll at KKK and who lured guys into thinking I was a hot lesbian. Pathetic years of my life, but useful.

I used to be an atheist since I was 6 until I was 11-12. At 13 I reached by religious peak. I never believed in creationism though, never, not even at teh age of 4 when studying in a religious catholic kindergarten. Hell, I even thought Judaism acknowledged evolution and such, as those were facts for me since a very young age (5 years old). So I was just a moderate Jew-cultured Theist.

I hated homosexuals for many reasons - from their intrinsic characteristics to my fear that it could actually be something contagious. Else I thought of it as something unnatural and wrong.

It wasn't until I matured and interacted with homosexuals that it dissapeared. Today I'm a staunch defender of all sexual orientations and all kinds of consensual and informed sexual relationships.

CKX wrote:

Dictatorship :O?

Yes, I called myself "communist" because I didn't know what socialism and communism stood for, like more than half of those who call themselves socialsit. But I did believe people were unable of ruling themselves.

CKX wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

19-20 Socialist Vanguardist
20 - Communist

The fuck?
Your 20 now.. I thoguht your ass was red(commie) for atleast from your 18's B-day. How suprisely.

It wasn't until I was 19 that I began understanding what socialism stood for and since I wasn't convinced of the intellectual integrity of humanity or at least its organizational capabilities I was pretty much a Leninist, or at the very least a vanguardist who kept the idea thata a Social and Scientific dictatorship were the ideal basis to stablish communism.

As I realized how this failed and began to be in contact with the anarchists in this site is that 1) I understood what anarchists stood for and 2) became a real communist.

I actually see myself in several stages when I see guys like RedSoviet, Tyrlop, etc. I used at some point of my life to think in similar ways to them. I've gone through a relatively complex political evolution. Since I was 14 I've been concerned with the wellbeing of society and had realized that the only way for an entire human community to be well is when all the members of it are in equal and favourable conditions. But by then I didn't understand half of what was required for that nor did I udnerstand well political and economic relationships.

I even laugh at myself when I used to tell to 18-2x year old marxists and anarchists and such that "Marx has to be revised" when I was 15. It requires such an ammmount of ignorance to say that... but in those moments you just have two things clear in mind "Society needs equalty, even if applied by force. Previous attempts failed, so we have to come up with something new". It is not until you begin studying this or getting in touch with those who have studied it that you begin to understand and literally see the world from an entirely different perspective. I didn't even fully grasp what historical materialism stood for until relatively recently.

The foundations of my leftism were perhaps laid around the time where I was in Soviet-Empire.com,at teh age of 14, that should say enough. This and my interest in USSR since I was 8 years old (since my grandfather was from there) were what made me interested in socialism. Since then I developed a Soviet/Russian/Ukrainian national and cultural identity which wasn't developed properly until I was 15 years old is well developed until now.

A book that greatly influded in my leftist and revolutionary thought was "Camilo", a Cuban book lent to me by my cuban Chemistry professor when I was 16 years old (I still have it). It was the development of Camilo Cienfuegos within the Cuban revolution from the perspective of those who met and fought with him.

Also my early political identity was being forged by Taylor Caldwell's books, which help you to pretty much understand where capitalists, specially from the US, sprout from and the workings of the ruling classes without assuming per se an anti-capitalist posture. This combined with a Marxist perspective of society really let you undestand a bunch of things very well. When you're part of the ruling class yourself, this combination of knowledges strikes you with the thought "Damn, isn't this part of my everyday life"...

All I have to say for now in regards to this... going back into the dark depths of my early political identity is depressing as hell.

Black_Cross wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Differences between Libertarian socialist and Anarcho-Communist?

I've always known them to be interchangeable, because i always see that term in anarchist-communist literature.

I'm wondering what Frank has in mind when making, or implying a distiction between them.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

My friends and classmates were not.

Okay. But you have to realize that aids is a bad disease.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

This was my religious peak stage. My mother got me into a Zionist organization called Hanoar Hatzioni which is something like Zionist boy scouts except more military, nationalist and judaism based (several of the Madrihim or like, let's say "teachers" there had made their military service in Israel).

She put you there?
So your mom was a orthodox jew or something?
I mean why put your son on a zionist boy scout thing, without being that jewish. Is she still a real jew?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Funny enough I was by far the most extremist Zionist there- guys that had served in the Israeli military that were there were all for peace between Palestine and Israel and I was all about exterminating Palestinians.

You see, not all the isrealian military is bad!
And besides that, there is call duty for the army I think in Isreal, not sure. So dont blame all the army for being forced in the army.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Why? That was my final solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Its briljant! *cough*

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

It was also the stage where I was being prepared to do my Bar-Mitzvah and where I was an internet troll at KKK and who lured guys into thinking I was a hot lesbian. Pathetic years of my life, but useful.

Oh wow, you were, what 13-14? And you let people think you were a hot lesbian... nice!

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I used to be an atheist since I was 6 until I was 11-12. At 13 I reached by religious peak. I never believed in creationism though, never, not even at teh age of 4 when studying in a religious catholic kindergarten. Hell, I even thought Judaism acknowledged evolution and such, as those were facts for me since a very young age (5 years old). So I was just a moderate Jew-cultured Theist.

Your a Atheist now right? And what, you were send to a catholic kindergarden? Now a Jewish one?
Also just messing you with this one, you were raped in the kindergarden and at jew scout, so now you hate everything, but communism flow out the hate, or shall I say, move it, gegen capitalism. AH snap!
Just fucking with ya'.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I hated homosexuals for many reasons - from their intrinsic characteristics to my fear that it could actually be something contagious. Else I thought of it as something unnatural and wrong.

You still hate gay people?
No, right? RITE!?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

It wasn't until I matured and interacted with homosexuals that it dissapeared. Today I'm a staunch defender of all sexual orientations and all kinds of consensual and informed sexual relationships.

Well that answer my question above then.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Yes, I called myself "communist" because I didn't know what socialism and communism stood for, like more than half of those who call themselves socialsit. But I did believe people were unable of ruling themselves.

So you were a kinda stalnist or the typical dictatorship USSR model people think of when people say Communism?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

As I realized how this failed and began to be in contact with the anarchists in this site is that 1) I understood what anarchists stood for and 2) became a real communist.

I thought you were a redneck all along. Oh lolz. I never knew! Thx! *thump up*.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I actually see myself in several stages when I see guys like RedSoviet, Tyrlop, etc.

Lol. Just funny.
So Tyrlop, your future will be ze cyper commie called Zealot frum the streets!

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I even laugh at myself when I used to tell to 18-2x year old marxists and anarchists and such that "Marx has to be revised" when I was 15.

That remembers me of one guy. Idk again.
And you mean "18-20", right, not "18-2x".
Yea probably.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

The foundations of my leftism were perhaps laid around the time where I was in Soviet-Empire.com,at teh age of 14, that should say enough. This and my interest in USSR since I was 8 years old (since my grandfather was from there) were what made me interested in socialism. Since then I developed a Soviet/Russian/Ukrainian national and cultural identity which wasn't developed properly until I was 15 years old is well developed until now.

A book that greatly influded in my leftist and revolutionary thought was "Camilo", a Cuban book lent to me by my cuban Chemistry professor when I was 16 years old (I still have it). It was the development of Camilo Cienfuegos within the Cuban revolution from the perspective of those who met and fought with him.

Also my early political identity was being forged by Taylor Caldwell's books, which help you to pretty much understand where capitalists, specially from the US, sprout from and the workings of the ruling classes without assuming per se an anti-capitalist posture. This combined with a Marxist perspective of society really let you undestand a bunch of things very well. When you're part of the ruling class yourself, this combination of knowledges strikes you with the thought "Damn, isn't this part of my everyday life"...

All I have to say for now in regards to this... going back into the dark depths of my early political identity is depressing as hell.

Intrenet helped you save your soul.
Now do 50 holy maria's.

CKX wrote:

She put you there?
So your mom was a orthodox jew or something?
I mean why put your son on a zionist boy scout thing, without being that jewish. Is she still a real jew?

Nah, it was just one block away from my home and my mother thought it'd be a nice idea for me to socialize with guys my age and similar in procedence in such an activity. She's not even zionist and she's not jewish in practice.

CKX wrote:

You see, not all the isrealian military is bad!
And besides that, there is call duty for the army I think in Isreal, not sure. So dont blame all the army for being forced in the army.

I've never said all Israeli soldiers or, all soldiers for that matter are bad. In Israel many soldiers have been very severly punished for disobeying orders that often imply abuse over palestinians (I once read about 4 Israeli Jet Fighter pilots that were given life sentences for refusing to bomb a residential block). Ther are several testimonies of Israeli Soldiers that oppose war with Palestine and that have testified abuse by the Israeli armed forces.

And yes, in Israel there's a strict draft but these Mexican Jewish Zionists are a very different as they're not Israeli citizens.

It is a common practice by jews from all over the world to go to Israel when they become 18-19 years old and do one of these two things either enlist in the army or go to kibutzim, some do both. There is a program, or was, I'm not sure, where the Israeli state pays you your trip as a foreign jew to perform these activities. they often last for 1 year and a half to a handful of years after which most of those Jews return to their native countries.

Actually I wanted to do that around those times where I was zionist. I wanted to be in the armoured forces, preferably as the gunner of a Merkava. Silly childhood dream. Although I've always loved tanks, but now in a very different, deeper and more complex way.

CKX wrote:

Its briljant! *cough*

Yes, if your lastname is Hitler.

CKX wrote:

Oh wow, you were, what 13-14? And you let people think you were a hot lesbian... nice!

12-13. People were more trollable back then.

CKX wrote:

Your a Atheist now right?

Nope, agnostic theist.

CKX wrote:

And what, you were send to a catholic kindergarden? Now a Jewish one?

Yup. I was sent to a catholic religious school since I was 4 until I was 6.

My father was of catholic ancestorship although he was a moderate theist that would have embraced whatever religion. However, he was the friend of the director of that school, so he got me in there and it seems that they made us a disccount for that, so that's why I was there.

I remember that in religion class I told to the teacher "I'm jew" and she yelled and said "Who told you that?!" and I replied "My mom". And she grabbed me by the hand and got some holy water and put it on my forehead and whatnot....

CKX wrote:

Also just messing you with this one, you were raped in the kindergarden and at jew scout, so now you hate everything, but communism flow out the hate, or shall I say, move it, gegen capitalism. AH snap!
Just fucking with ya'.

My name is Earl (I hope you get the reference)

CKX wrote:

So you were a kinda stalnist or the typical dictatorship USSR model people think of when people say Communism?

I was like a "kind and libertarian Stalinist". Like a Stalin that would have enforced policies in favour of sexual, religious, cultural freedom and such and would have coordinated economy in such a way that everyone could have whatever they needed so long as they worked. And who favoured killing criminals.

CKX wrote:

I thought you were a redneck all along. Oh lolz. I never knew! Thx! *thump up*.

I ain't a rednik and was never a rednik. Want a redneck check those southern US exemplars.

CKX wrote:

Lol. Just funny.
So Tyrlop, your future will be ze cyper commie called Zealot frum the streets!

That can't be known now. But, if Tyrlop is really interested in socialism and the wellbeing of people and increases his literary repertory he'll eventually become a real socialist, that is a revolutionary one, at least in theory.

CKX wrote:

That remembers me of one guy. Idk again.
And you mean "18-20", right, not "18-2x".
Yea probably.

Who may that be...

I mean 18-20,21,22,23 etc.

CKX wrote:

Intrenet helped you save your soul.
Now do 50 holy maria's.

Internet is an awesome communication tool. I'm almost sure that if they had something like this 150 years ago, the world would be communist today. Also, that's why I hate internet trolls and spammers - they're like little children making pranks by phone and such stupid activities, they just pollute an excellent means of information difusion, although soe of them can be quite worthy.

So when Zealot was young he was a stereotypical American.

For me when I was young it was quite the opposite, all of the other kids were militaristic and mindlessly religious except me, I loved Peace, animals, and Science.

Liche wrote:

So when Zealot was young he was a stereotypical American.

For me when I was young it was quite the opposite, all of the other kids were militaristic and mindlessly religious except me, I loved Peace, animals, and Science.

same here i was the guy with the mac computer game called lode runner, and everyday all my friends and me went home to me and played it, we made our own maps for it, it was awesome. at that time i weared oldschool clothes. the teacher was a sadists so the parents got her fired. and i also remember i was the most popular boy, all the other boys wanted to play with me. and my two best friends always fought eachother for being the best friend with me, but i tried to make them equal to me. i was the guy with the funny and retarded jokes. i have always been intressted in politics, but when i really began to intresst me was when one of my friends wanted me to join the socialist people party youth with him, and we joined it. and on my birthday we sat and stamped papers in the office and they gave us icecream for the party work. after some years he and i quited because we didnt wanted to pay the bills, now im more for the unity-list (most leftish party in the parliament, but the socialist peoples party is still my favorit because its populist.

question for zealot, Hey why dont you start a youtube channel! that could be so awesome! right now there are really many atheist that have their own youtube channel and they debate with the ortodox christians and creationist (tyrong knows ) if you joined the debate as an communist atheist you would get popular when you tell them about how real communism is. yay.

Liche wrote:

So when Zealot was young he was a stereotypical American.

I actually favoured US government a lot and dreamed that in the future USA and Russia would join to beat the crap out of the countries they didn't like.

Liche wrote:

For me when I was young it was quite the opposite, all of the other kids were militaristic and mindlessly religious except me, I loved Peace, animals, and Science.

I've always loved animals... that's why I was ecoterrorist. I even dreamed about employing the military to sink whaling ships, hunt hunters down and such.

Tyrlop wrote:

question for zealot, Hey why dont you start a youtube channel! that could be so awesome! right now there are really many atheist that have their own youtube channel and they debate with the ortodox christians and creationist (tyrong knows ) if you joined the debate as an communist atheist you would get popular when you tell them about how real communism is. yay.

I have a youtube channel but haven't made any serious videos, I plan to make them though, plus a collection of me singing a capella.

About religion, Tyrong pretty much introduced me to the world of creationism. Amazingly here in Mexico that is much less of a problem as most people, even very religious ones, acknowledge evolution and science in general, that's why I wasn't aware of the real extent of the creationist problem. And I'm not atheist. I'm an agnostic theist - I don't know for sure if god exists or not, I don't have proof for it but since it's possible that he may exist I prefer to believe in god and a soul, it hurts no one. I'm often an enemy of gnosticism in general, both theist and atheist and of religious militantism. For a guy to claim that he knows all the truths of the universe so he must be right, to claim to knw more about the universe than people that have devoted their lifes entirely to its study and aknowledge they don't know a 10th of it, it is required a level of abhorrent arrogance.

And I do plan to introduce atheists into communism. I've noticed that most rational atheists do not know what communism stands for, at all, some even going as far as to compare communism with religion - something that can only be done when completely igorant of the characteristics of communism. For me capitalism is the modern obscurantism, it is literally like a religion - based entirely on mass ignorance, deception, alienation and submission, based on the religious belief that just because some guy discovered something first (without acknowledging that said discovery was achieved thanks to his interaction at different levels with the community and the environment) he has the right to exploit others and these should accept this condition as natural and as a "willing exchange". That is indeed religious.

Unfortunately, I've found that several atheists, seemigly rational, are extremely thick skulled in these regards, something that definitely has come as a surprise to me since I don't conceive hoe rational people can't be communist unless they're real sociopaths.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Nah, it was just one block away from my home and my mother thought it'd be a nice idea for me to socialize with guys my age and similar in procedence in such an activity. She's not even zionist and she's not jewish in practice.

Oh okay, good I guess.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

And yes, in Israel there's a strict draft but these Mexican Jewish Zionists are a very different as they're not Israeli citizens.

The irony, but not much irony.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

It is a common practice by jews from all over the world to go to Israel when they become 18-19 years old and do one of these two things either enlist in the army or go to kibutzim, some do both. There is a program, or was, I'm not sure, where the Israeli state pays you your trip as a foreign jew to perform these activities. they often last for 1 year and a half to a handful of years after which most of those Jews return to their native countries.

Easy money.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Actually I wanted to do that around those times where I was zionist. I wanted to be in the armoured forces, preferably as the gunner of a Merkava. Silly childhood dream. Although I've always loved tanks, but now in a very different, deeper and more complex way.

Deeper and more complex way?
... right
jk

But what's a Merkava?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Yes, if your lastname is Hitler.

Then I'm good.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

12-13. People were more trollable back then.

More trollable then? Ya I believe that.
You filthy meany face troll!!! RRAGE!

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Nope, agnostic theist.

But religion is diffrent from Communism, I mean all the worshipness and all in religion. It suprises me that you are agnostic.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

My father was of catholic ancestorship although he was a moderate theist that would have embraced whatever religion. However, he was the friend of the director of that school, so he got me in there and it seems that they made us a disccount for that, so that's why I was there.

Ya dad a real player with powerful friends I bet.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I remember that in religion class I told to the teacher "I'm jew" and she yelled and said "Who told you that?!" and I replied "My mom". And she grabbed me by the hand and got some holy water and put it on my forehead and whatnot....

LOL!

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

My name is Earl (I hope you get the reference)

Yay. That show stopped btw. To bad, I kinda liked it.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I ain't a rednik and was never a rednik. Want a redneck check those southern US exemplars.

I know, but you are still a redneck cuz your neck is RED! HAHAHA OMFG, good stuff.. yeaaahh..
'Nuff said.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Also, that's why I hate internet trolls and spammers - they're like little children making pranks by phone and such stupid activities, they just pollute an excellent means of information difusion, although soe of them can be quite worthy.

Indeed, tho sometime its funny.
Like 4chan for example, its cool and all, the pics from it, but sometimes it gets a little to.. well I dont know, just to much, and somethings are not funny. Like harrasing people IRL but also pics of cancer and shit.

CoolKidX wrote:

Easy money.

Not really - easy trip to Israel at best. They pay your airplane ticket and obviously your expenditures as soldier, maybe some small salary. If you go to a Kibutz, then you're subject to the economic rules of that specific Kibutz and Kibutzim are not precisely places where you go to become rich, you know...

CKX wrote:

Deeper and more complex way?
... right
jk

Before I liked tanks as much as a car fan would like cars. Now I see them as complex pieces of art of engineering, understand their workings much better and hate their purpose. Still I can read for hours about them.

CKX wrote:

But what's a Merkava?

"Merkava" means "chariot" in Hebrew, like the chariots used by egyptians, romans and several others as a complement for their cavalry forces. Since the chariot was a cavalry unit it pretty much served, at least partially, in the same way tanks do today so teh Israelis named their indigenously made tank (with pieces from US and Germany), Merkava.

CKX wrote:

More trollable then? Ya I believe that.
You filthy meany face troll!!! RRAGE!

Childpranks.

CKX wrote:

But religion is diffrent from Communism, I mean all the worshipness and all in religion.

Political, economical and social ideology is different from religion or in this case belief or disbelief in god. They're not mutually exclusive, you can be entirely convinced that god exists and be a communist and you can be still a communist and be a convinced atheist. They're not even linked. The only way belief in god could oppose communism or affect the communisticity of the individual is if said belief in god implied disacknowledgement of historical materialism, in other words, if as a communist you based your conviction that workers must own the means of production because god has said so and that they've been in such condition until now because so he wanted instead of attributing that to class relationships. But well, that would be to go into the same debate as "god caused evolution and science".

Religion is another personal or communitary matter that may or may not influde on the communisticity of individuals. Religion, in essence, is a culture based around the worshipping or ritualistic and pragmatic acknowlegement of supranatural phenomena ranging from soul, ghosts and such to god(s). So long as it doesn't coercively affect uninvolved parties , I don't see why it should be opposed, and if rationally justified, I don't see how it cold be even criticized.

CKX wrote:

It suprises me that you are agnostic.

It would surprise me that you're not except I'm almost sure yo don't know what "agnosticism" stands for.

I contend that two elements compose the core of position towards the existance of god:

Gnosticism - Claim of certainty and knowledge about the topic. A position of those that claim to even have evidence to support their claim.

Theism - Belief in god.

With their opposites: Agnosticism and Atheism.

By these premises you can be a Gnostic Theist, Gnostic Atheist, Agnostic Theist and Agnostic Atheist.

The Gnostic Theist is the one who claims to be certain about god's existance and even goes as far as to claim that they possess evidence to support their claim. Creationists are an excellent example of Gnostic Theists and as you know they're sometimes even often aggressive in the search to impose their position.

The Gnostic Atheist is often a militant and sometimes aggressive atheist that claims to be able to demonstrate that god doesn't exist or even claims to be able to demonstrate the impossibility of God. When a gnostic atheist tries to deffend his posture, it tends to be apparently defensible by logic through the following arguement "There is no evidence of god so within my knowledge there is no god. So long as god is not verifiable he doesn't exist". I often contend that it is inaccurate to claim with certainty that god doesn't exist so long as not all information about the universe has been harnessed. Unless you know everything that lays behind a phenomenon, you can't claim certainty and lack of proof is certainly not proof for nonexistance as we may be unable to gather the evidence we require to suufice our evidential standards.

The Agnostic Theist claims to not know for certain whether god exists or not. He often claims that it is impossible to demonstrate either claim and therefore chooses to belief in god for whatever reason. In my case I choose to believe in god because 1) god is possible, 2) I definitely like to think that there's something beyond our control that rules the universe, something that gives meaning to all these massive movement of particles 3) it affects no one negatively.

The Agnostic Atheist claims no certainty on the existance of god, admits god as a possibility but chooses not to believe in the existance of god so long as there is no evidence that expressely proves god's existance without closing themselves to the possibility.

The agnostic possition towards god is often that of "God, if existant, hasn't provided us with conclusive evidence as to whether he exists or not, whether he affects us or not, whether he's aware of us or not and whether he does want to be worshipped or not, therefore,if existant but unnafecting, there's no relevance to the belief, if existant but unconcerned there's no reason to worship him, if existant and concerned, since he's omnipotent and omniscient, he would have surely given evidenceto both his existance and his concern. If existant, ominpotent, omniscient and concerned without giving conclusive evidence to his existance and desiring of worship and punishing, then sadistic. If sadistic, why worship?"

The topic is pretty broad and hs been discussed in the pantheon already and if you desire to continue debating this I suggest we do it there. Although I made my point clear.

CKX wrote:

Ya dad a real player with powerful friends I bet.

That's all he's got, friends that help him with their influence to thrivea little bit, in exchange of training horses and taking care of animals.

CKX wrote:

Yay. That show stopped btw. To bad, I kinda liked it.

Redneck collection there. Somewhat funny show.

CKX wrote:

Indeed, tho sometime its funny.
Like 4chan for example, its cool and all, the pics from it, but sometimes it gets a little to.. well I dont know, just to much, and somethings are not funny. Like harrasing people IRL but also pics of cancer and shit.

Well some of them even have the ideology that people give too much relevance to internet interaction when it's purely virtual and thus, according to them, unreal. I disagree with them on teh grounds that it is as real as a relationship in which the parts get in touch through phone or correspondence. Eventually, this virtual interaction can potentially become a face-to-face constant and strongly relevant interaction based on the foundations of the virtual relationship and the fact that said virtual means were the method through which the parties in the relationship kept in contact with first.

Most trolls are just a really nuisance.

I would like to hear you sing A Capella, that would be cool.