Coalition Proposal. Opposition

.... did you even bother to read my post? I said post-socialism, everyone will take part as a worker to some extent. that's 100%, not 13.

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

.... did you even bother to read my post? I said post-socialism, everyone will take part as a worker to some extent. that's 100%, not 13.

acctully--http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Gdp-and-labour-force-by-sector.png

Since you refuse to reply to what i say, i'll no longer engage you in this thread.

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

Since you refuse to reply to what i say, i'll no longer engage you in this thread.

I gave you a link go use it

Workers are not fucken 13%. If you believe that you are retardeder than I thought.

Everyone who works or is willing to work is a worker!

^^ That's not even the side i was debating though. I was debating that POST-SOCIALISM, everyone will be a worker in some manner. But matt refuses to engage me at that level, and instead gives me a link to a map showing the amount of "workers" (however they chose to define the word) in TODAY'S SOCIETIES (Pre-socialism).

There's no point in continuing a debate between two people who aren't even debating the same idea.

lol at united front composed of contradictory ideologies

Is this an example of opportunism?

yes...i think it would be more accurate to say class collaborationist...which IS opportunism

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Yes. The only differences between a liberal government and a socialist government are:
1 Socialist government is run by the workers instead of the capitalists.
2 Socialist government is run more democratically.
3 Socialist government owns the means of production.

Marx doesn't define Governments, he defines states

In a capitalist state there is democracy but only for the ruling class
Workers are the gorvernment
and the workers own and control the means of production rather than the ruling class bosses

im just being nit-picky but you are correct

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Marx doesn't define Governments, he defines states

In a capitalist state there is democracy but only for the ruling class
Workers are the gorvernment
and the workers own and control the means of production rather than the ruling class bosses

Yeah same thing basically.

I'm still waiting for an answer as to whether this coalition actually went down or not.

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

I'm still waiting for an answer as to whether this coalition actually went down or not.

It didnt. The coelition is more than likely going to be between CP, SP, anarchists, and greens

yea it didnt go down. no representation and we are getting taxxed. aint this a bitch

^^ haha. But why would you wanna be represented by Liche?

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It didnt. The coelition is more than likely going to be between CP, SP, anarchists, and greens

Cool, thanks.

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

^^ haha. But why would you wanna be represented by Liche?

....Uhh why wouldn't you?

Liche wrote:

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

^^ haha. But why would you wanna be represented by Liche?

....Uhh why wouldn't you?

I dunno, maybe cos you're an anarchist-syndacalist and he's a member of the fash. I don't mind being represented by you. But not all think along the same lines as you and i.

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yes...i think it would be more accurate to say class collaborationist...which IS opportunism

class collaboration is a fascist concept. Figures dio would do it.

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

Liche wrote:

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

^^ haha. But why would you wanna be represented by Liche?

....Uhh why wouldn't you?

I dunno, maybe cos you're an anarchist-syndacalist and he's a member of the fash. I don't mind being represented by you. But not all think along the same lines as you and i.

True, but still a Facist and a Liberal?

anarchism and reformism are fascistic.

Pannekoek wrote:

anarchism and reformism are fascistic.

how do you figure?

anarchites think both classes can work together immediately. reformites think bourgeois will cooperate with workers through reforms. class collaboration=invented by benito mussolini=fascist. its all explained in the thing.

Pannekoek wrote:

anarchites think both classes can work together immediately. reformites think bourgeois will cooperate with workers through reforms. class collaboration=invented by benito mussolini=fascist. its all explained in the thing.

it's poisonous politics...i'd agree with that

Pannekoek wrote:

anarchites think both classes can work together immediately.

That's not true. The bourgeois class would never work with the proletariat. That's idealist bullshit. Maybe as an anarchist, you believed it, but don't speak for the rest.

And comparing anarchism to fascism is just naive.

I didn't i just didn't know about class struggle. And yes you do believe that.