Abortion

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

beatnikzach wrote:

studies show that a childborn into unwanting parents is like 5 times more likely to be abused/neglacted.

Yes, and even so most wanted children are condemned to some sort of suffering.

If avoiding child's suffering was to be grounds for abortion, then most couples should be either forcefully sterilized or practiced abortion as soon as they got pregnant.

Yea, but kids with unwanting parents suffer for worse reasons.

exactly.

I agree with Liche.

Worse reasons than this fucked up context?

Unwanted children may suffer even less than wanted children depending on their situation.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Worse reasons than this fucked up context?

Unwanted children may suffer even less than wanted children depending on their situation.

Not necicarly Zealot.

And we are talking about generally.

Liche wrote:

And we are talking about generally.

Not even generally. Not for being unwanted it means the child will be rejected by his parents, it's not even a rule among poor people.

But there's more chances for the kid to be rejected if the parents didn't want them than if they wanted to have that kid And poor people will generally leave them 'cause they don't have enought money to let them live. Sad but true.

Zealot, no matter what people will think their life sucks.

Just because a kid who's parents wanted to have them says they have a miserable life, doesn't make them as miserable as any one else.

for instance, I would say my life sucks (mostly because I have depression, and live in a fucked up society) doesn't mean it as nearly as bad as some one who appreciates their life, but suffers daily.

I have a classmate who is younger than me, barely makes 3 times the average income in Mexico (which is few for the capital) and has a 3 years old unwanted daughter and his wife and they live bythemselves spending nearly all the money in mere survival. And I can cite a bunch of cases like that. Those guys break their backs to give the best they can to their children even if they're unwanted.

That is called responsability, this is called respect for human life, this is called maturity. Not treating your child as a caprice or a mistake but as what it is, your child.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I have a classmate who is younger than me, barely makes 3 times the average income in Mexico (which is few for the capital) and has a 3 years old unwanted daughter and his wife and they live bythemselves spending nearly all the money in mere survival. And I can cite a bunch of cases like that. Those guys break their backs to give the best they can to their children even if they're unwanted.

That is called responsability, this is called respect for human life, this is called maturity. Not treating your child as a caprice or a mistake but as what it is, your child.

yes, but that is not what I mean by unwanted, if the parents care about the child it is not unwanted.

Liche wrote:

yes, but that is not what I mean by unwanted, if the parents care about the child it is not unwanted.

An unwanted child is a child you prefer not to have, be it for whaetever reason. An unwanted child may be loved, accepted or rejected.

When you're a mature and sensitive human being, even if your child is unwanted you respect, love and accept him.

If you're mature, assume your responsabilities and have respect for life ou accept your kid.

If you're an mentally handicapped individual, you don't accept.

If some one is against abortion shouldn't they be against masturbation? I know people who are so against abortion but jackoff all the time.

Liche wrote:

If some one is against abortion shouldn't they be against masturbation? I know people who are so against abortion but jackoff all the time.

excellent point

Liche wrote:

If some one is against abortion shouldn't they be against masturbation? I know people who are so against abortion but jackoff all the time.

I don't understand this at all. What does destroying an embryo have to do with touching yourself?

MightyObserver wrote:

Liche wrote:

If some one is against abortion shouldn't they be against masturbation? I know people who are so against abortion but jackoff all the time.

I don't understand this at all. What does destroying an embryo have to do with touching yourself?

Because you kill sperm when you ejaculate.

Liche wrote:

If some one is against abortion shouldn't they be against masturbation? I know people who are so against abortion but jackoff all the time.

Not a good point at all Liche.

Neither sperm or ovules separated are human beings in development opposite to what the embryo is.

If and embryo in any point of development qualifies as a human being then life begins at conception and if prevention birth is murder as it ends life then preventing conception either through masturbation or contraceptives is also murder as it prevents life.

oligarch wrote:

If and embryo in any point of development qualifies as a human being then life begins at conception and if prevention birth is murder as it ends life then preventing conception either through masturbation or contraceptives is also murder as it prevents life.

See Zealot.