World Revolution

Now is the time comrades. The captialist economy is failing. The world may soon be in depression. We shall use this time to establish a paradise for the proletariat. We shall end the rule of the bourgeoisie. We shall revolt aganist the upper class and establish a new system. The proletarit shall control the means of production. The rich shall no longer control us. Comrades, we shall start the new revolution and wipe captialism off the face of the earth. We shall truely establish a world socialist republic.

it';s only failing because of that bailout... it'd be fine if it was left alone.

It was failing before the bailout, hence the passing of the bailout.

The bailout didn't do anything of significance, it was just a waste of money.

The current failure of capitalism has not yet infected the real economy and hardly constitutes a revolutionary scenario.

comrade110397 wrote:

Now is the time comrades. The captialist economy is failing. The world may soon be in depression. We shall use this time to establish a paradise for the proletariat. We shall end the rule of the bourgeoisie. We shall revolt aganist the upper class and establish a new system. The proletarit shall control the means of production. The rich shall no longer control us. Comrades, we shall start the new revolution and wipe captialism off the face of the earth. We shall truely establish a world socialist republic.

Erm..you do know it takes not only years to get prepared but you also need quite the few of people?

How does one abolish 'captialism', exactly?

When a bank goes bankrupt it is not going to just die, it gets bought by other banks. Those banks will assume all command of those banks and turn them around and make them all better. The bailout did nothing but scare away potential buyers and waste taxpayer money. Now we're heading toward a horrible economic depression. Good job, Washington.

Capitalism can't really be abolished, Stos. It's kinda human nature. We will always strive to be special. Well, most of us anyway. Those that don't strive to be special end up somewhere mundane and boring....

nillerz wrote:

Capitalism can't really be abolished, Stos. It's kinda human nature.

If this was true the sole idea of communism would be impossible. It would be unthinkable.

nillerz wrote:

We will always strive to be special. Well, most of us anyway. Those that don't strive to be special end up somewhere mundane and boring....

What do you mean by "special"?

So you're calling a revolution? What like, now? And with these guys? Now? You know most of these people still live with their folks, right? And besides, I think they're busy right now. Kind of sudden, don't you think?

(This was me trying to be funny. Read it in a sarcastic tone. YES, I needed to point that out.)

LOL! i cant believe people acually took this serously! It was half joking the entire time. If i wanted to start a revolution i would go to africa. XD

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

nillerz wrote:

Capitalism can't really be abolished, Stos. It's kinda human nature.

If this was true the sole idea of communism would be impossible. It would be unthinkable.

In case you haven't noticed, the sole idea of communism IS impossible. It's been tried several times, it's never implemented right, it always turns into a dictatorship or some sort of super-government. Russia, China, Korea, Cuba, pretty much all over.

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nillerz wrote:

We will always strive to be special. Well, most of us anyway. Those that don't strive to be special end up somewhere mundane and boring....

What do you mean by "special"?

Different. Important. Seperated from everyone else in some way. No one wants to be equal with everyone else, like some sort of borg. The idea is depressing.

nillerz wrote:

In case you haven't noticed, the sole idea of communism IS impossible.

Then how come many think about it, agree with it and even implement it according to their capabilities?

nillerz wrote:

It's been tried several times, it's never implemented right, it always turns into a dictatorship or some sort of super-government. Russia, China, Korea, Cuba, pretty much all over.

None serving as an example of communism, though. Not even of a mediocre attempt at it.

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Different.

In communism people don't only feel different, they're.

nillerz wrote:

Important.

Communism is greatly based on acknowledging the importance of human beings.

nillerz wrote:

Seperated from everyone else in some way.

Well, you see it's not like communism implies bending people together...

nillerz wrote:

No one wants to be equal with everyone else, like some sort of borg. The idea is depressing.

What do you define as "being equal"? How can you claim to be able to speak for everyone else?

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None serving as an example of communism, though. Not even of a mediocre attempt at it.

How many more times must we try for this idealism? The past has proven that this doesn't work, over and over again. How many more lives must be taken in this revolution and subsequent revolutions (after each failed one) before you realize that humans dont want communism? People want power, instead, hence the reason why all the other regimes failed. This isn't a game. Stop assuming it is. When something fails, we usually try new ways to achive something. We realize communism has failed. If we want change, we must realize it is not through communism.

calinis wrote:

How many more times must we try for this idealism?

I don't know, I don't plan to fight for idealism unless somehow you can link "idealism" to communism in which case you'd have to explain your understanding of "idealism".

calinis wrote:

The past has proven that this doesn't work, over and over again.

Idealism? Yeah, it doesn't work, however I don't see how this is relevant to a discussion on communism.

calinis wrote:

How many more lives must be taken in this revolution and subsequent revolutions (after each failed one) before you realize that humans dont want communism?

For sure much less than those that have been dying proving they don't want slavery.

calinis wrote:

People want power, instead, hence the reason why all the other regimes failed.

And there's no other way in which people can have power but through communism.

calinis wrote:

This isn't a game.

Who said it was?

calinis wrote:

Stop assuming it is.

I don't know on which grounds are you basing this accusation.

calinis wrote:

When something fails, we usually try new ways to achive something.

Yeah, so how is this relevant to the discussion?

calinis wrote:

We realize communism has failed.

Fusion energy plants have also failed, I mean we've never built them, but it's a fact they've failed.

calinis wrote:

If we want change, we must realize it is not through communism.

Based on what?

nillerz wrote:

Capitalism can't really be abolished, Stos. It's kinda human nature.

I was talking about 'captialism', not 'capitalism'. Also, if capitalism is human nature, what the hell was feudalism?

Kenzu wrote:

I dont want to shatter your hopes, but the economy will be almost recoverd by the end of 2009.

Too bad, I hope it isn't so though.

Kenzu wrote:

This crisis can't be even compared to the great depressions in the 30s and 70s.

In many aspects it can.

Kenzu wrote:

Capitalism could be easily overcome if governments would be taken over and they would nationalise companies and corporations now. It would be very cheap to buy them at this point.

How does government buying corporations imply abolition of capitalim?

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None serving as an example of communism, though. Not even of a mediocre attempt at it.

How many more times must we try for this idealism? The past has proven that this doesn't work, over and over again. How many more lives must be taken in this revolution and subsequent revolutions (after each failed one) before you realize that humans dont want communism? People want power, instead, hence the reason why all the other regimes failed. This isn't a game. Stop assuming it is. When something fails, we usually try new ways to achive something. We realize communism has failed. If we want change, we must realize it is not through communism.

Absolutely, if you refuse to approach things scientifically for the sake of ideology then you are just a new mental opiate.

To know you're special means to know you are set apart from everyone else, to know that you are not just as important as everyone else, to know that you got to where you are not by the aid of others but from your own sweat.

Quick question: How many of the communists on this board have jobs, what is the job, do they like their jobs, are their families poor or rich, what work ethic were they raised in?

I suspect that many of you were raised without a father or seperated from your father.

nillerz wrote:

To know you're special means to know you are set apart from everyone else, to know that you are not just as important as everyone else, to know that you got to where you are not by the aid of others but from your own sweat.

You'd be dead if it weren't for others. How can anyone think to achieve anything significant alone? That's just absurd.

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Quick question: How many of the communists on this board have jobs, what is the job, do they like their jobs, are their families poor or rich, what work ethic were they raised in?

I have a job. I work a gas station. I don't mind my job, i mind the poverty that i'm forced into because of my job. My family used to be rich, then slowly descended into poverty. Both my parents have very good work ethic, as do i.

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I suspect that many of you were raised without a father or seperated from your father.

My father was always in my life, and i think he's unbearably dense, naive, and a tool.

We have all grown up and seen the rise of disaster capitilism. There are many secrets that many people don't know about capitilsm, but hopefully that will change.

nillerz wrote:

Absolutely, if you refuse to approach things scientifically for the sake of ideology then you are just a new mental opiate.

That's why capitalism is a ridiculously mediocre system for a supposedly intelligent species like ours.

nillerz wrote:

To know you're special means to know you are set apart from everyone else, to know that you are not just as important as everyone else,

Important to whom? To society? In that case it's just workers and people wield knowledge, desire to acquire it and to apply it, that is in many cases another kind of worker. So its basically workers.

nillerz wrote:

to know that you got to where you are not by the aid of others but from your own sweat.

I'm assuming you suddenly sprouted like mushroom in the middle of a desert and self satisfied absolutely all of your needs without the aid or intervention of others and decided to just interact with society out of mere boredom.

Just for the records you necesarily were born to a mother and a father (that's two parties aside from you, just for you to even exist). Then I'm assuming either your parents or someone less took care of you when you were a baby. Someone provided you with shelter which definitely wasn't built by yourself and most probably not even by your benefactors implying thus already a bunch of parties (more if we take into account the parties involved in the extraction of the prime resources). Someone provided you with food which was not acquired by you. It was taken from the nature by somebody like almost everything else. Someone provided you with a language. Someone provides you with interaction.... and so on. Get real and stop thinking you "got to where you are all by yourself".

You remember me of a stupid poster from a British university I saw in my school in which there was a baby sitting on a CEO's chair and it said "You're born, after that all depends on you". And the moon is made of cheese and my penis is african sized.

nillerz wrote:

Quick question: How many of the communists on this board have jobs, what is the job, do they like their jobs, are their families poor or rich, what work ethic were they raised in?

I worked for a while as aidee of mantainance in a US hotel in Virginia. I didn't mind about that job although I consider many of the activities performed there are unnecesary and their requirement by any sector of the community could be easily avoided.

I just stopped working as a damn realtor, one of the most despicable jobs in existance and one of the most ridiculous. I did hate that job for many reasons.

Now, this is what I don't like:
1. To work for a boss who will thrive on selling the product of my labour.
2. To be a boss who exploits workers.
3. Sell anything.
4. Make profit from others' disgrace

Oh, what a coincidence, all those are core characteristics of capitalist modus vivendi.

nilleraz wrote:

I suspect that many of you were raised without a father or seperated from your father.

Which in case of being true is relevant to the discussion because...?

Kenzu wrote:

I dont want to shatter your hopes, but the economy will be almost recoverd by the end of 2009.

This crisis can't be even compared to the great depressions in the 30s and 70s.

Capitalism could be easily overcome if governments would be taken over and they would nationalise companies and corporations now. It would be very cheap to buy them at this point.

Even if it does there are other ways. We could wait untill the polar ice caps melts and floods wallstreet. Btw, how much does 5 nuclear missiles cost?

comrade110397 wrote:

Kenzu wrote:

I dont want to shatter your hopes, but the economy will be almost recoverd by the end of 2009.

This crisis can't be even compared to the great depressions in the 30s and 70s.

Capitalism could be easily overcome if governments would be taken over and they would nationalise companies and corporations now. It would be very cheap to buy them at this point.

Even if it does there are other ways. We could wait untill the polar ice caps melts and floods wallstreet. Btw, how much does 5 nuclear missiles cost?

3 and a halfe slave.

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3 and a halfe slave.

i reckon 6097 slaves at least

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Black_Cross wrote:

nillerz wrote:

To know you're special means to know you are set apart from everyone else, to know that you are not just as important as everyone else, to know that you got to where you are not by the aid of others but from your own sweat.

You'd be dead if it weren't for others. How can anyone think to achieve anything significant alone? That's just absurd.

You do need other people, doesn't mean everyone is equally responsible for your success. Thank your parents, your friends, your lovers, the bosses that helped you out when you get to the top if you do. However, you're not really talking about the subject at hand. You repay those people with favors, but put credit where it's due: They don't make you who you are, you choose who you are. CEO's aren't made by those around them they're made by their own determination.

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Quick question: How many of the communists on this board have jobs, what is the job, do they like their jobs, are their families poor or rich, what work ethic were they raised in?

I have a job. I work a gas station. I don't mind my job, i mind the poverty that i'm forced into because of my job. My family used to be rich, then slowly descended into poverty. Both my parents have very good work ethic, as do i.

Well, if your job actually was that important to society as a whole I'm sure you wouldn't be living in poverty. Is it self-service or full-service? Either way it's not that much work you're doing, mininum wage is about a decent wage for what you do.

At any rate you're not forced into poverty, that's just victim mentality. You're perfectly capable of improving your situation in life. Instead it sounds like you're just whining. You don't even know what poverty is.

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I suspect that many of you were raised without a father or seperated from your father.

My father was always in my life, and i think he's unbearably dense, naive, and a tool.

What did he do to make his son hate him like that? Seriously, the man's your father, you are the fruit of his loins. A little respect would probably go well.

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That's why capitalism is a ridiculously mediocre system for a supposedly intelligent species like ours.

Track record:

Longest lasting communist nation: Soviet Union, about 80 years or so

United States: over 200 years and still goin'!
plus all the other capitalist nations across the world that are kickin' ass. Some are doing better than others but hey, at the end of the day it's import export.

Scientifically speaking, capitalism has the lead.

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Important to whom? To society? In that case it's just workers and people wield knowledge, desire to acquire it and to apply it, that is in many cases another kind of worker. So its basically workers.

Important to INDIVIDUALS. I want to be the best I can be, I want to be noteworthy. So do you, you just don't realize it. We all want to accomplish something we can be proud of. This is just who we are as people, its what keeps our species striving forward.

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I'm assuming you suddenly sprouted like mushroom in the middle of a desert and self satisfied absolutely all of your needs without the aid or intervention of others and decided to just interact with society out of mere boredom.

...Are you an idiot?

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Just for the records you necesarily were born to a mother and a father (that's two parties aside from you, just for you to even exist). Then I'm assuming either your parents or someone less took care of you when you were a baby. Someone provided you with shelter which definitely wasn't built by yourself and most probably not even by your benefactors implying thus already a bunch of parties (more if we take into account the parties involved in the extraction of the prime resources). Someone provided you with food which was not acquired by you. It was taken from the nature by somebody like almost everything else. Someone provided you with a language. Someone provides you with interaction.... and so on. Get real and stop thinking you "got to where you are all by yourself".

Previous question answered with a resounding positive.

In case you were serious: Causality is the spice of life, I owe my life to my parents however, if I'm out and about and become well off and happy my parents will also be well off and happy. Society will be the same. You are not getting a dime of what I earn. Credit where it's due, see above, however at the end of the day: If a man dies to save their squad, the parents didn't kill him to save the squad.

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You remember me of a stupid poster from a British university I saw in my school in which there was a baby sitting on a CEO's chair and it said "You're born, after that all depends on you". And the moon is made of cheese and my penis is african sized.

Oh yes, you're poor and at the bottom of the food chain because God decided you weren't cool enough to be a CEO. Suck it up and take on more hours, get a real education, and maybe provide a service or start a company.

nillerz wrote:

Track record:

Longest lasting communist nation: Soviet Union, about 80 years or so

United States: over 200 years and still goin'!
plus all the other capitalist nations across the world that are kickin' ass. Some are doing better than others but hey, at the end of the day it's import export.

Scientifically speaking, capitalism has the lead.

*buzzer* I'm sorry, no, that is incorrect, sir! The correct conclusion is that private capitalism has the lead over state capitalism. But don't worry, you get a free consolation prize of absolutely nothing.