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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Sun May 25, 2008 12:57 am

supply and demand is a bourgeois lie. Labor theory of value is the truth. All value stems from labor. Capital creates no value at all. But copmetitino tends to make the capitalists invest more in capital than in labor, like in machines. This makes the rate of profit fall. This makes the rate of exploitation increase. This makes socialist revolution that simple. Or you can stick to bullshit marginal utility economics.
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Sun May 25, 2008 1:18 am

Watermelon wrote:
supply and demand is a bourgeois lie. Labor theory of value is the truth. All value stems from labor. Capital creates no value at all. But copmetitino tends to make the capitalists invest more in capital than in labor, like in machines. This makes the rate of profit fall. This makes the rate of exploitation increase. This makes socialist revolution that simple. Or you can stick to bullshit marginal utility economics.

value creates no value at all- wtf?

machines increas profits wich increases spending wich increases jobs wich increases population wich increases gov funding wich increases standards of life.

now why, why do machenes increas profit?
becuse they are more productive and you don't need to PAY them wich in turn DEcreases expentiur and INcreases production.

a machine that isn't cheaper or atleast more productive than the one that prceeded it will not be used by companies becuse they won't pay off and as we all know and you keep saying is that the only thing they want is money.


I AGGRE try to get it now the thory of value is just anothere way to explain supply.
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Sun May 25, 2008 2:15 am

value creates no value.

marginal utility economics says that higher supply INCREASES prices. marxian economics says more labor means more value. also marxian economics says that demand does not do anything.

machines do not create alue because they are not labor. you are justifying that machins create value by using marginal utility economics which is false.
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Tue May 27, 2008 2:37 am

I think some users are confusing value with "price."
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Tue May 27, 2008 11:00 am

Watermelon wrote:
value creates no value.

marginal utility economics says that higher supply INCREASES prices. marxian economics says more labor means more value. also marxian economics says that demand does not do anything.

machines do not create alue because they are not labor. you are justifying that machins create value by using marginal utility economics which is false.
cars are created by machenes so cars are therefor "valuless"
dude nearly evrything in our life is made by machines, FX the letter "u" I just typed was made by a machine that dose it a lot faster and better that soeone would do by hands.

of just a test go to a car factory, now get a team and try to make a car without any tools.
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:46 pm

mattabesta wrote:
Watermelon wrote:
value creates no value.

marginal utility economics says that higher supply INCREASES prices. marxian economics says more labor means more value. also marxian economics says that demand does not do anything.

machines do not create alue because they are not labor. you are justifying that machins create value by using marginal utility economics which is false.
cars are created by machenes so cars are therefor "valuless"
dude nearly evrything in our life is made by machines, FX the letter "u" I just typed was made by a machine that dose it a lot faster and better that soeone would do by hands.

of just a test go to a car factory, now get a team and try to make a car without any tools.







Its simple

Capitalists are driven by competition to drive wages and expences down - they avail of machines to save money - this leads to the devaulation of produce
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:06 pm

inkus2000 wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Watermelon wrote:
value creates no value.

marginal utility economics says that higher supply INCREASES prices. marxian economics says more labor means more value. also marxian economics says that demand does not do anything.

machines do not create alue because they are not labor. you are justifying that machins create value by using marginal utility economics which is false.
cars are created by machenes so cars are therefor "valuless"
dude nearly evrything in our life is made by machines, FX the letter "u" I just typed was made by a machine that dose it a lot faster and better that soeone would do by hands.

of just a test go to a car factory, now get a team and try to make a car without any tools.







Its simple

Capitalists are driven by competition to drive wages and expences down - they avail of machines to save money - this leads to the devaulation of produce

if nobody buyes it then they go broke then the custemers go to antoere, better producer who isn´t as stupid and gives them better qualaty.
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:12 pm

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cars are created by machenes so cars are therefor "valuless"

False. THe machines were created by labor so they have value and they pass on their value to the commodities they produce.

wud up GC i saw you on revleft
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:35 am

Watermelon wrote:
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cars are created by machenes so cars are therefor "valuless"

False. THe machines were created by labor so they have value and they pass on their value to the commodities they produce.

wud up GC i saw you on revleft

wtf??
your just going in circels, this isn't a theory, this is just some gibbirish
you just freking stated that I'm right. if evrything is made by labour, as a source then obviusly capitalism can't fail according to your tested theory.
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:44 am

NO. machines dont create NEW value. the cars have the same value as it took to make the machines. the machines just pass on the same value, they dont make NEW value.
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:03 pm

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NO. machines dont create NEW value. the cars have the same value as it took to make the machines. the machines just pass on the same value, they dont make NEW value.

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Value may refer to:

Value (mathematics), the value of a variable in mathematics.
Value (philosophy), the degree of importance, including the value independent on subjective valuations by any individual
Value (personal and cultural), the principles, standards, or quality which guides human actions
Value (economics), the market worth or estimated worth of commodities, services, assets, or work.
Value investing, investing in securities whose shares appear underpriced
Value theory, in ethics, aesthetics and other evaluative matters
Value (marketing), provide service for consumer satisfaction
Value (computer science)
Value (law)
Value (semiotics)
Value (colorimetry), a measure of white or black in color
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:03 pm

Watermelon wrote:
NO. machines dont create NEW value. the cars have the same value as it took to make the machines. the machines just pass on the same value, they dont make NEW value.

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Value may refer to:

Value (mathematics), the value of a variable in mathematics.
Value (philosophy), the degree of importance, including the value independent on subjective valuations by any individual
Value (personal and cultural), the principles, standards, or quality which guides human actions
Value (economics), the market worth or estimated worth of commodities, services, assets, or work.
Value investing, investing in securities whose shares appear underpriced
Value theory, in ethics, aesthetics and other evaluative matters
Value (marketing), provide service for consumer satisfaction
Value (computer science)
Value (law)
Value (semiotics)
Value (colorimetry), a measure of white or black in color
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:40 am

1 you double posted
2 obviously the economical one
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PostSubject: Re: Labor theory of value   Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:28 am

thanke you now I know I'm definitly right.
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