your goal.

I have come to the conclusion that all political systems work to improve the lifes of the pepole exept monocracy(king) it's just diffrent ways of doing so and becuse we dissare no new systems esely come into light, rather the systems we have evolve.

my goal would be to give erybody the chanse to live a rich mans life,
the opritunity to do so is more valubel than living a medium life for the rest of your days, free healthcare, partyally state owned schools(run like companyes but owned by the gov), Internationalism and a well run econamy regulated and closely watched by the goverment.

this I think will prodce a very good state, or as I am an internationalist:
a good world to live in.

now I want your goal with what you belev in and in a very basic consept of how would be run(what to do with schools, healtcare ect.)

The final goal is no state and no classes and no money; a society based on free access to goods and common ownership of the means of production. Production is overseen through workers councils formed in the way described by Anton Pannekoek (recallable delegates selected by workers to represent them on larger levels). There is no alienation. Everyone has the opportunity to reach their full potential. It will be a society where the free development of each is the conditino for the free development of all.

Pannekoek wrote:

The final goal is no state and no classes and no money; a society based on free access to goods and common ownership of the means of production. Production is overseen through workers councils formed in the way described by Anton Pannekoek (recallable delegates selected by workers to represent them on larger levels). There is no alienation. Everyone has the opportunity to reach their full potential. It will be a society where the free development of each is the conditino for the free development of all.

so you can acive anything but you can't be richer than someone esle,
what's my motavation?

You can be richer than someone else.

Pannekoek wrote:

You can be richer than someone else.

then you don't have communism, or that's what zelot says.

Since when is zealot an expert on communism?

Pannekoek wrote:

Since when is zealot an expert on communism?

since he was one.

circular logic. In communism you can be as rich as you want.

Emy

what i have a problem doing is debating this point when the person on the other side isn't listening or open to the idea.

it is something that has to be self realized
which is why i don't debate ideals when the person is stuck on the other side of the fence.

I will debate it until i hit the same wall 3 times

Pannekoek wrote:

circular logic. In communism you can be as rich as you want.

oh then velcome communists I now suddenly like you.

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what i have a problem doing is debating this point when the person on the other side isn't listening or open to the idea.

He just said he likes communists. pwnd.

Pannekoek wrote:

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what i have a problem doing is debating this point when the person on the other side isn't listening or open to the idea.

He just said he likes communists. pwnd.

give me the fiver!!!

If you knew more about communism I doubt you would like it since you are an idealist.

so my point is still relevant

My goal is to live my life without forcing anyone to do anything, without preventing anything unless it is in the name of competition, and to let the best man win without cheap tactics.

nillerz wrote:

My goal is to live my life without forcing anyone to do anything, without preventing anything unless it is in the name of competition, and to let the best man win without cheap tactics.

wow a dream society, btw you should be anchrist.

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so my point is still relevant

You think I get all these posts by not arguing with people who don't listen?

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wow a dream society, btw you should be anchrist.

But he supports capitalism. anarchism and capitalism don't mix because capitalism is inherently statist.

Pannekoek wrote:

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so my point is still relevant

You think I get all these posts by not arguing with people who don't listen?

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wow a dream society, btw you should be anchrist.

But he supports capitalism. anarchism and capitalism don't mix because capitalism is inherently statist.

yeah but his political vivew is closest to ancrasists.

mattabesta wrote:

Pannekoek wrote:

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so my point is still relevant

You think I get all these posts by not arguing with people who don't listen?

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wow a dream society, btw you should be anchrist.

But he supports capitalism. anarchism and capitalism don't mix because capitalism is inherently statist.

yeah but his political vivew is closest to ancrasists.

Its becuase liberatarians are just a little left of anarchist

mononokifool wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

Pannekoek wrote:

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so my point is still relevant

You think I get all these posts by not arguing with people who don't listen?

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wow a dream society, btw you should be anchrist.

But he supports capitalism. anarchism and capitalism don't mix because capitalism is inherently statist.

yeah but his political vivew is closest to ancrasists.

Its becuase liberatarians are just a little left of anarchist

yes, or no?
wjat, ancrists don't belong to right nor left!

anarchist are the extreme right where there is almost no government control

mononokifool wrote:

anarchist are the extreme right where there is almost no government control

That means the extreme left. Extreme right are nazis, fascists and monarchists.

Riddler wrote:

mononokifool wrote:

anarchist are the extreme right where there is almost no government control

That means the extreme left. Extreme right are nazis, fascists and monarchists.

No I ment economicly, while communist want the government to provide for the people anarchist want the government to leave them alone.

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while communist want the government to provide for the people

Communists want the people to be provided for, but not by the state (im referring to the higher stage here), and anarcho-communists want the same.

Pannekoek wrote:

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while communist want the government to provide for the people

Communists want the people to be provided for, but not by the state (im referring to the higher stage here), and anarcho-communists want the same.

LOL I like it when communists dissagree this proves that communists aren't unuted and that there is diffrenc betwen leninism and marxism and stuff like that.