Pope is/was a Dictator

i think that pope is like a Emperor and Roman Catholic Church is Empire.
Who's whit me?!

That's completely right. The Roman Catholic Church just as most churches are economical empires, centres of power that should be abolished by force!

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

That's completely right. The Roman Catholic Church just as most churches are economical empires, centres of power that should be abolished by force!

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i think that pope is like a Emperor and Roman Catholic Church is Empire.
Who's whit me?!

I'm truly not with you (as allways,just kidding , if you say right things i might admit). Sorry i just can't say that well in english so it try to say like this: emperor can't be elected , emperor take power by forse or by birth possibility

comiescums wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

That's completely right. The Roman Catholic Church just as most churches are economical empires, centres of power that should be abolished by force!

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i think that pope is like a Emperor and Roman Catholic Church is Empire.
Who's whit me?!

I'm truly not with you (as allways,just kidding , if you say right things i might admit). Sorry i just can't say that well in english so it try to say like this: emperor can't be elected , emperor take power by forse or by birth possibility

ok lets swich word emperor to dictator

i would just call it culture and faith

BolshevikClock wrote:

i would just call it culture and faith

One thing is faith: When you say you believe that Jesus Christ was indeed the messiah, envoy of God.

One thing is culture: When you follow the Christmas tradition of sitting with your family and having some dinner, put your tree, give gifts to each other and maybe sing some carols.

But other is the church: An entity that exploits people's faith to get incomes and thus economic and politic power doing nothing but enagenating people to a "church cult".

Roman Catholic Churc was greedy 'cause thei were selling forgiveness and poor people wasted their money to that

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Roman Catholic Churc was greedy 'cause thei were selling forgiveness and poor people wasted their money to that

Poor people couldn't afford that and you talking about middleages.

I dont like the pope either. Let him be the pope, but take away the billions of Euros the church has in the bank accounts!

and there to put those billions?

I shouldnt need to ask this but how many of youknow anything about
the catholic ´church?
First: The catholic church is the biggest social entity in the world, no organisation, not even Microsoft, has more employees or gives more money to help people in need. Whats left of the money is used for the restauration of churches and other catholic sites which are considered by Unesco as Heritage of Humanity. Vatican has been losing money for a very long time now, by holding nothing back.
Second: The Pope is the spiritual leader of a billion people in the world, who is elected by his peers to office. Just regard him as a president with a slightly longer period of power.

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I shouldnt need to ask this but how many of youknow anything about
the catholic ´church?

I know of them , im catholic too ,i know that country pay's for priests and i know that people donates to church , not forced to give money for church.

Yes, maybe you are right.

Then I would stop giving the church government support. If believers pay them, let them pay.

The church must pay property tax like everyone else though! (Churches could be exlcluded though)

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Then I would stop giving the church government support. If believers pay them, let them pay.

As i said government pays priest as country's workers and people donate not for priest , but to church.

name me a country where the curch doesnt pay taxes

Voice of Reason wrote:

name me a country where the curch doesnt pay taxes

Haha Vatican i think .

ok you got me

what of the Pentecostal and Salvation Army?

what about them

comiescums wrote:

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Roman Catholic Churc was greedy 'cause thei were selling forgiveness and poor people wasted their money to that

Poor people couldn't afford that and you talking about middleages.

Then what do you think was one of the prime issues with the Lutheran reform? Precisely the indulgencies. Poor people could waste great part of their miserable incomes on those ridiculous indulgencies.

never made a mistake in your life zealot? forgive the church this one lapsus. and by the way the so called "Ablass" was abolished during Luthers lifetime

Voice of Reason wrote:

I shouldnt need to ask this but how many of youknow anything about
the catholic ´church?
First: The catholic church is the biggest social entity in the world, no organisation, not even Microsoft, has more employees or gives more money to help people in need. Whats left of the money is used for the restauration of churches and other catholic sites which are considered by Unesco as Heritage of Humanity. Vatican has been losing money for a very long time now, by holding nothing back.
Second: The Pope is the spiritual leader of a billion people in the world, who is elected by his peers to office. Just regard him as a president with a slightly longer period of power.

I should know some things since I studied in a religious catholic school part of my childhood.
I wonder how is possible that being such a great contributor to people in need there's absolutely no result from that humanitarian aid.
And see how well the Vatican aids people in Africa: by promoting the lack of use of condom.

I live in Mexico one of the largest and most fervient catholic countries in the world, one of the main economic contributors after USA, Germany, France and Spain to the Vatican. And I have seen no aid from the Vatican to the poor in Mexico and not only that, many priests live in luxury let aside the fact that they have excomulgated some priests for supporting peasant movements or demands.

They buy their expensive BMWs, they pay for all the security for the pope and cardinals, they pay for all the suits against pederast priests (inversions of millions of dollars), they keep people enagenated to an ambiguous "ideology", they excert political pressure.

Catholic Church, just as any church is an organization who abuses of the faith of many for the priviledge of others.

First: If all people in the world would behave like strict catholics there woul be no Aids in the world. So the popes stance on Condoms only concerns catholics.

Second: if you didnt see anything in Mexico you werent looking closely enough. Believe me we're everywhere and we're helping as much as we can. My Childhood priest for example is currently in Ecuador building a school, hospital and new church from funds from austria.

Third: The church is just good at economics, if you buy a new BMW it will last 20 years until you need replacement. Buy an old car it will brake down soon.

Forth there are 10 Million priests in the world. that some are misbehaving has to be expected

But a lot of the churches fortunes comes from taking it from people they incinerated hundreds of years ago. They should give it to the state!

But a lot of the states fortunes comes from taking it from people they incinerated hundreds of years ago. They should give it to the !churches!

I just had to do this