Japan and China in talks

Look it up people. Japan and China finally are trying to have a better relation with eachother and ease the tension in their people. This is their first talk in 10 years.

lolwut? You think China will actually forgive Japan for what horrid crimes they did in WW2? HELL FUCKING NO. Japan's government is full of reactionary neocon capitalist pricks and they deserve to be exposed for what they frakking are. Cappie pricks who only care for themselves.

It's LONG overdue for an OFFICIAL apology from Japan and not just some "oh, were sorry for this and that" crap, only to withdraw apologies again.

I feel sorry for the Japanese people for not learning the truth of what their nation did in WW2.

I feel the only reason why China is "talking" is to eventually convince Japan to "get down on her knees and apologize" since, well, it's nice to know that China is going to be a world power.

Oh. The Chinese may forgive, but they shall NEVER forget.

And in case this sounds like anti-Japanese propaganda to you Vraps, it is. You have NO idea just how many people hate and loathe Japan for what they did in WW2...no frakking idea...

It would be nice if the US left Japan already, since the Marines stationed there are nothing but rapist pigs...

You are being too nationalist, jeiro. I will remember this. *writes in notebook*

Watermelon wrote:

You are being too nationalist, jeiro. I will remember this. *writes in notebook*

I am not being nationalistic (okay, sorta), but I am stating the truth. Rather brutally, but the truth. Japan has never formally apologized to China, Korea, or Okinawa, etc.

Read Rape of Nanjing by Iris Chang? The Japanese government denied the book and even went so far as to threaten book publishers who were apparently more "open-minded" about the issue.

More importantly, I'm afraid you can't have authority over me. Need I remind you the ban button? Or that you are not even an admin? Hu hu...

OK....this is odd. You feeling ok Kim? You were a lot nicer about this in your post on Lys's site. there you said you hated the Japanese government but you liked the Japanese peple. Now here you sound like you hate the people too. You arn't putting on a front for either site are you?

You're an admin? lucky. Admin should be for people with many posts/

No, Vraps. I'm not putting up a front. I'm just stating it rather cynically since the Japanese government is FULL of cappie neocon pricks more than willing to suck up to US government's every single whim.

The Japanese people disappoint me very much. They nearly all have been literally indoctorinated to believe that "US is a utopian paradise" by the neocon government. Just last year, there was this Japanese exchange student sent over to my school. A friend of mine talked to this Japanese girl and well...the poor Japanese girl was lead to believe that America was this perfect utopian society and a literal dreamland. O_o

I am NOT joking. At least some Koreans realize the truth of the US, when I went over to Korea last year, many Koreans were indifferent or disliked the American presence there.

Not surprisingly, I shared the same opinion.

Anyway, I just wish I could've met this Japanese girl and talked to her more about the horrible truth her government oppressively hides...it's a sad story...

Japan is overhyped much...but in reality, it's just a 2nd rate "puppet" country ruled by their masters.

And the manhwa "Zero The Beginning of the Coffin" cleared things about the Japanese enough for me. Ever seen my username here? It's the Korean title of the very same manhwa. It's about a story where two siblings get experimented on by a secret government funded research facaility who never hesistated to run unethical "medical experiments" upon humans. And it was before a Korean division merged with them, putting an effective HALT to the experiments.

The manhwa's story is very believable to me since Unit 731 was a similiar "research" division of the IJA. I wouldn't doubt it if Zero was to be a real story.

Yes, the Japanese people are very nice and kind. But no, the government are REAL pricky A-holes.

Kim, everyone fantasizes about other countries and what it would be like to live there....except Burma. i doubt anyone wants to be in the longest civil war ever.

VRaptorX wrote:

Kim, everyone fantasizes about other countries and what it would be like to live there....except Burma. i doubt anyone wants to be in the longest civil war ever.

Myanmar is exactly like S Korea's former military junta. lulz, go figure.

And uhm, dude. Did you not see what I typed? They literally thought that poor girl into believing the "US was a perfect place". For serious.

You really are being nationalistic, Nationalism is the opposite of communism. You should try and embrace the workers of the world instead of criticize them of there past. and if China was truly a model socialist country they would also realize this instead of hold onto the past.

Watermelon wrote:

You're an admin? lucky. Admin should be for people with many posts/

hehe then I'm gonna be admin!

I am passing you very soon. I have many posties.

Well, the problem with Asians is that nearly ALL of them are extremely proud of their culture and whatnot, so there is that problem.

And I am criticizing the hawkish Japanese government, not the people. The people are fine, but the government holds too much power over the truth.

It's like this: If Germany withdrew their apologies, would the US or EU let them get away with it?

They wouldn't.

I think it's more of a "once the war generation finally dies off we'll get somewhere" momment. The generational views are suppossibly extremely different. Japan youth basically going against every single "tradition" in japan from what I hear.

VRaptorX wrote:

I think it's more of a "once the war generation finally dies off we'll get somewhere" momment. The generational views are suppossibly extremely different.

Indeed. It's a complete 180. Japan's youth for example, actually sympathize with North Korea's plight. The older generation, however, want all of Korea to be blown off the face of the Earth.

I am not joking.

VRaptorX wrote:

Japan youth basically going against every single "tradition" in japan from what I hear.

Indeed, they are. It's so sad that they pratically abandon some good traditions (like family and all) for capitalist materialism such as anime and other stuff. Like I said before, the youth are made to believe the US is a "perfect haven utopia" when clearly, it's one of the most backwards and nationalistic politically indoctorinated countries on Earth.

Freedom is slavery. You know...?

The U.S made buddy buddy with Japan... Dont bring any "You don't know what it is like." into it either because many of our men died to liberate the pacific from Japan..back when Liberation ment something... and then we fucking dropped an A-Bomb on them.. If they can forgive us for turning their civilians into radioactive vapor then surely China can forgive Japan for a little Genocide... or three..

Diogritor wrote:

The U.S made buddy buddy with Japan... If they can forgive us for turning their civilians into radioactive vapor then surely China can forgive Japan for a little Genocide... or three..

I wonder WHY America made "allies" with Japan...

And Japan uses the atomic bombings as a pretext to say they were the victims of WW2. Nice, huh?

well we did own 2 cities in the hardest way...

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:

lolwut? You think China will actually forgive Japan for what horrid crimes they did in WW2? HELL FUCKING NO. Japan's government is full of reactionary neocon capitalist pricks and they deserve to be exposed for what they frakking are. Cappie pricks who only care for themselves.

It's LONG overdue for an OFFICIAL apology from Japan and not just some "oh, were sorry for this and that" crap, only to withdraw apologies again.

I feel sorry for the Japanese people for not learning the truth of what their nation did in WW2.

I feel the only reason why China is "talking" is to eventually convince Japan to "get down on her knees and apologize" since, well, it's nice to know that China is going to be a world power.

Oh. The Chinese may forgive, but they shall NEVER forget.

And in case this sounds like anti-Japanese propaganda to you Vraps, it is. You have NO idea just how many people hate and loathe Japan for what they did in WW2...no frakking idea...

It would be nice if the US left Japan already, since the Marines stationed there are nothing but rapist pigs...

I fully support you!!!

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I fully support you!!!

daheminzu bidei daoqian !
日本必须道歉！

only way to solve this problem is with a war or maybe 2, like europe in world war one. but that is of course a bad way. we must learn from historie, and find a way to solve stuff like this

japan and china both got their issues yes but ehm calm down and drink some mindkilling it helps

lul love to be sarkastik in someway

EDIT: and dont be to proud of ur country, start hating it, its good, then u also can do some progress for the party

It's important to remember that the crimes committed by Japan in China, and indeed all across South-east Asia were as a direct result of the ideological nature of the Japanese fascist state. Having been brutalised and indoctrinated by their officers into believing that the Chinese were somehow inferior, ordinary Japanese were driven to carry out their ruling class's will through brutality and humiliation. But as Mao himself points out:

"The Communists of Japan and Germany are defeatists with regard to the wars being waged by their countries... For the wars launched by the Japanese aggressors and Hitler are harming their own people as well as the people of the world."

The point here is that Chinese patriots and Japanese defeatists were on the same side for the internationalist good of humanity. However, in speaking of the 'Rape of Nanking', one Japanese soldier named Tajima said:

"One day second Lieutenant Ono said to us, "You have never killed anyone yet, so today we shall have some killing practice. You must not consider the Chinese people as human being, but only as something of rather less value that a dog or cat. Be brave! Now, those who wish to volunteer for killing practice, step forward."

"No one moved. The lieutenant lost his temper... And he began to call out names, "Otani-Furukawa-Ueno-Tajima!" (My God-me too!). I raised my bayoneted gun with trembling hands, and-directed by the lieutenats almost hysterical cursing-I walked slowly towards the terror-stricken Chinese standing beside the pit-the grave he had helped to dig. In my heart, I begged his pardon, and-with my eyes shut and the lieutenant's curses in my ears-I plunged the bayonet into the petrified Chinese. When I opened my eyes again, he had slumped down into the pit. "Murderer! Criminal!" I called myself."

This is just one example of how ordinary men were driven into doing the unthinkable in the service of their governments' fascist agenda. The real crimes today are carried out by those that attempt to deny history and the fascist Japanese government's guilt.

Jeiro you're being racist in a most disturbing way. I recommend a three day ban, if it hasn't already come to this.
In a war there is nothing but losers. No one won WWII, every nation suffered more then enough. Of course some nations started it, but not one of the people responsible for this have any power left or are even alive.
Japan gave an excuse to china follow their example and give an excuse to the Japanese people.
Being proud of your own country is a good thing, as long as you don't like other countries less because of this.
Also calling the marines in Japan racist lacks any kind of motivation. As far as I know and I'm sleeping with a primary source on that topic americans and japanese get along very well.
At least the japanese government was elected democratically not like the government of a certain other far eastern country. (Speaking from a central european point of view.)

Truman dropping two atomic bombs on Japan's cities doesn't sound too "democratic" to me. I wonder WHY Japan immediately got along and was forgiven so quickly by the US to be their "allies", hmm?

And MacArthur, if I remember correctly, wasn't afraid to bomb China either. He once said, "We shall destroy the Chinese into dust by unleashing FIFTY atomic bombs." Of course, I doubt US had that much into the 1950s.

He wouldn't care less about Japan either.

And most Japanese dislike the American presence there. Sure, they might "get along", but eventually, something happens and the people move when the American-puppeted Japanese government can't. And because the Japanese government are nothing but a buncha puppets, the people are told a lie and MADE to believe it because of the culture of Japan.

Seriously. A friend of mine met a Japanese exchange student who literally believed America was this fantasy paradise of wonderland and sh!7. Naturally, I was mildly surprised. I suspected most Japanese liked America, but not that much.

I personally pity those fools over there.

You know Kim, there is a Delaware Miyagi exchange that my school took place in. We had two Japanese echange students. They were nice. Don't yell about a whole population when it was the government that did the stupid things. I've said it before and I'll say it again. When the war generation dies off, you'll see your apologies because the next generation does see the war for what it was.

And personally, I'd rather not have Japan get rid of USA pressence. IMO they should work first on getting rid of the Yakuza who have their hands in politics and big companies. get rid of the coruption first, then you can send us home if you feel like it (japan is way too overcrowded as it is.)