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PostSubject: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:58 am

What are your toughts about this country?

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:12 am

Meh. Fairly neutral. Not evil, but CERTAINLY not good. Has issues. Needs it's Ilamic religion removed, but that's my veiw for everywhere, so moot. Yep. Oh, and let them have the damn nukes. They're not dumb enough to USE them, because they KNOW they'd be wiped off the map. They don't have the capability to intercept all the ICBMs that would come their way. Hell, even America wouldn't be able to catch them all if nuclear war broke out, though they WOULD do better.

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:24 am

I think they are way out of line. If they continue their Anti-American ways they will go the way of Iraq. Now that we are pulling out of Iraq((I assume we will with the new president)) We will have more then enough firepower to wipe them off the map.

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:27 am

A country getting autonomy, that being the reason for which Europeans and Unitedstatians can't stand it.

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:29 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
A country getting autonomy, that being the reason for which Europeans and Unitedstatians can't stand it.
A rising nation ALWAYS ruffles someone's feathers.

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:30 am

I mainly want to hear about the society.
Where the woman are opressed, nearly free-speech, i'm not asking for war. I don't want to sound like a republican but, Iran is an oppressed country led by a pres that sayd there arnt any gays in Iran, the countrt were you can't be yourself, were your hanged for expressing yourself in your own way.
I don't think its a country that really could so something about war, if they make a nuke they don't use it prbly.
I however don't want war with it to, people will die, if McCain was pres Iran maybe could be invaded what would cause a second Iraq, which failed hard.

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:45 am

CoolKidX wrote:
I mainly want to hear about the society.
Where the woman are opressed, nearly free-speech, i'm not asking for war. I don't want to sound like a republican but, Iran is an oppressed country led by a pres that sayd there arnt any gays in Iran, the countrt were you can't be yourself, were your hanged for expressing yourself in your own way.

It's not like Ahmedinajad has superpowers and people get repressed by his sheer will. To understand Iran's situation you have to understand its political, religious, historic and cultural context.

A lot of people there consider women are objects that belong to men and a lot of people there hate homosexuals. The fact that such a government arised in Iran reflects that there is at least a considerable ammount of persons that support the ideas held by that government.

Now, that you can't express yourself in the way you are? What if you're a homophobic chauvinist religious fanat? Can't you express yourself the way you are? What if you're a worker completely indifferent to the political context of your country and who cares just about his family, can't you express yourself the way you are? You're engaging in a wrong generalization.

Oh, and I must say that I consider women are also objectified in the capitalist west just in a very different way than they're in Iran. So none of the systems is a better option.

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I don't think its a country that really could so something about war, if they make a nuke they don't use it prbly.


Wrong. They surely won't use it unless **** or Eurabia try attacking first. That, if they have it.

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I however don't want war with it to, people will die, if McCain was pres Iran maybe could be invaded what would cause a second Iraq, which failed hard.

Iraq is about to become a success for USA. That **** strategy almost always works. Send the republicans to take all the shit and then the democrats to soothe the wounds consumating the conquest.

Fortunately, Iran would be a much harder prey than Iraq.

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:57 am

It seems to be ok, other then killing people over religion and hanging homosexuals, maybe over time extremism well fall a bit, and it will be a glorious and great country, one who's greatness matches its rich history.
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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:15 am

More reason organised religion in all places should be removed.

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:40 am

Diogritor wrote:
I think they are way out of line. If they continue their Anti-American ways they will go the way of Iraq. Now that we are pulling out of Iraq((I assume we will with the new president)) We will have more then enough firepower to wipe them off the map.

Trolling?

Anti-Americanism isn't a sin; in some - if not most - parts of the world it is understandable; take, say, areas of Latin America where we have directly intervened in their democratic processes, like Panama and, perhaps more infamously, Chile. Attitudes like that which I have emboldened in your quoted post represents why anti-Americanism is completely permissible, I think.

Besides, don't worry about pulling out of Iraq; Obama will, eventually, but he'll send our asses right back over there, just a little further east into Pakistan. Hooray for militarism!
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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:27 am

Is anyone on this site NOT horribly, blatantly, unconvincingly and undeniably BIASED against EVERYTHING capitalist? And American? Cause guess what. As I've said before, it has liots of good points. Oh, and socialism? NOT PERFECT! NOT THE END ALL, BE ALL!

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:34 am

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
Is anyone on this site NOT horribly, blatantly, unconvincingly and undeniably BIASED against EVERYTHING capitalist? And American?

I don't hate the USA, I just hate its imperialist policies which are essential for USA's good living standard in a capitalist context.

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Cause guess what. As I've said before, it has liots of good points.
Yeah, which are overweighted by the bad ones.

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Oh, and socialism? NOT PERFECT! NOT THE END ALL, BE ALL!
Socialism is as perfect as a human organizational system can be.

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:51 am

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
Is anyone on this site NOT horribly, blatantly, unconvincingly and undeniably BIASED against EVERYTHING capitalist? And American? Cause guess what. As I've said before, it has liots of good points. Oh, and socialism? NOT PERFECT! NOT THE END ALL, BE ALL!

Was that in response to what I said?

Listen, despite the fact that I am opposed to the Capitalist system, that does not mean that I am not objective in my viewpoint. I didn't suddenly wake up one day and decide that I'm just against the system; I studied differing ideologies and ultimately arrived at the conclusion that I don't like the system that we currently have. Would I say that there is any system out there that is perfect? Of course not. Would I say that Capitalism is the source of all evil, or, conversely, that Anarchism is the only correct system out there? Again, of course not. I'm just saying, after having reviewed the literature of each side - Rand, Friedman, Goldwater, and others to name a few for Capitalism; Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin, and others to name a few for Anarchism - I ultimately think Anarchism, preferably a left-wing variant of it, is better than Capitalism. Nothing more, nothing less. So am I biased? Sure. Everyone is. I don't think I should be criticized simply for having a view.

That having been said, I think it is completely rational to suggest that anti-Americanism is defendable in some parts of the world. This view is completely uncontroversial. Consider this scenario, one that my good friend mononokifool uses very frequently: say Iran were to occupy the Vatican. What would our attitude be here? We'd be pretty outraged, right? Consider, then, that we have essentially done the same thing; where our occupation of the Arabian Peninsula - which, by the way, homes the holy cities of Mecca and Medina - differs from my anecdotal example is the fact that there is oil there - every country that has oil has some significance in geopolitical world affairs - and, of course, that the area is so significant to the Islamic faith.

So yeah, to people who care a whole hell of a lot about their faith, I don't find it too surprising that they'd hate us when we occupied their most - not one of the most, but the most - holy places in their religion. That, and we support Israel. I don't think I need to elucidate as to why that is not a good thing to most in the Middle East.

And I already mentioned Latin America; we've been **** with them since Teddy Roosevelt's administration.

As an aside, "anti-Americanism" does not refer to being against American peoples; it's about being against our interventionist foreign policy. So don't conflate the two.
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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:44 am

WeiWuWei wrote:
Diogritor wrote:
I think they are way out of line. If they continue their Anti-American ways they will go the way of Iraq. Now that we are pulling out of Iraq((I assume we will with the new president)) We will have more then enough firepower to wipe them off the map.

Trolling?

Anti-Americanism isn't a sin; in some - if not most - parts of the world it is understandable; take, say, areas of Latin America where we have directly intervened in their democratic processes, like Panama and, perhaps more infamously, Chile. Attitudes like that which I have emboldened in your quoted post represents why anti-Americanism is completely permissible, I think.

Besides, don't worry about pulling out of Iraq; Obama will, eventually, but he'll send our asses right back over there, just a little further east into Pakistan. Hooray for militarism!
I was not trolling. I did not speak my personal feelings but the facts. Iran thinks it can stand up to America, but t couldn't even do much to Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war so what could they do against us? Unlike Iraq which I felt was not a necessary war, if Iran starts trouble they will be totally asking for what they get,

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:11 am

Diogritor wrote:
I was not trolling. I did not speak my personal feelings but the facts. Iran thinks it can stand up to America, but t couldn't even do much to Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war so what could they do against us?

Are you aware of the differences between both wars? Iran-Iraq war was a proxy attrition war. And even so, Iraq didn't achieve its goal. Iraq killed a bunch of people with chemical weapons and counted with a lot of assistance from USA namely operation Praying Mantis which costed Iran some vessels and a civilian airliner.

Is not the same to try and take a couple of riverbanks than trying to take the whole country.

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Unlike Iraq which I felt was not a necessary war, if Iran starts trouble they will be totally asking for what they get,

The only country here causing problems is yours. Iran hasn't done anything but develop itself more than any middle eastern non-Israeli nation industrially and technology developing some degree of autonomy and important foundations for its prosperity. That's what you westerners fear so much, that some day Iran will stop being a potential client and will be too hard to crush in the future.

Iran can't threatten anyone there. Israel has got 200+ nuclear weapons, do you think Iran is going to attack Israel? Do you think Iran is going to attack Europe? Some limited intelligence is needed for that indeed.

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:52 pm

I like it for defending its autonomy against the US imperialism (not a usual thing in modern world). But not for the other things.

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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:11 pm

I think Iran is a country of smell douchers. But they do a good job at standing up against the US, and that I respect.
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PostSubject: Re: Iran   Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:42 pm

Riddler wrote:
I like it for defending its autonomy against the US imperialism (not a usual thing in modern world). But not for the other things.

agree!

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