Chavez nationalizes Venezuela's cement industry

Interesting, lets see how things go

One more step on the road to socialism

well his decision, theyer loss.

mattabesta wrote:

well his decision, theyer loss.

Once again... on which grounds? The whole venezuelan nation will get the profits of that industry instead of just some particulars, some of which are foreigner.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

well his decision, theyer loss.

Once again... on which grounds? The whole venezuelan nation will get the profits of that industry instead of just some particulars, some of which are foreigner.

if they are forign then even better if the company loses money venuzuvela won't.
buying an industry wich contractors rely on is bringing chaves more power and the ability to sway them according to his will.

mattabesta wrote:

if they are forign then even better if the company loses money venuzuvela won't.

And who gives a fuck about money when you own your resources? Besides if those companies earn money, now, intead of a Swede or a Mexican taking most to his pocket, it will be, at least in theory, the people of Venezuela.

mattabesta wrote:

buying an industry wich contractors rely on is bringing chaves more power and the ability to sway them according to his will.

Good for Chavez, and if Chavez brings anything, no matter how little, good to the workers, good for the venezuelan people.

Hopefully this will help provide real housing for people living in "Barrio" shanties.

Renegade_Kautsky wrote:

Hopefully this will help provide real housing for people living in "Barrio" shanties.

good point. but it would have cost venuzuvela less to get contractors to bid on it instead of natzinlisation.

mattabesta wrote:

Renegade_Kautsky wrote:

Hopefully this will help provide real housing for people living in "Barrio" shanties.

good point. but it would have cost venuzuvela less to get contractors to bid on it instead of natzinlisation.

How?

mattabesta wrote:

Renegade_Kautsky wrote:

Hopefully this will help provide real housing for people living in "Barrio" shanties.

good point. but it would have cost venuzuvela less to get contractors to bid on it instead of natzinlisation.

If theres one thing with more potential for corruption then then a state-run enterprise, then it's a private monopoly with state protection.

Renegade_Kautsky wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

Renegade_Kautsky wrote:

Hopefully this will help provide real housing for people living in "Barrio" shanties.

good point. but it would have cost venuzuvela less to get contractors to bid on it instead of natzinlisation.

If theres one thing with more potential for corruption then then a state-run enterprise, then it's a private monopoly with state protection.

LOLZ so true.

mattabesta wrote:

Renegade_Kautsky wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

Renegade_Kautsky wrote:

Hopefully this will help provide real housing for people living in "Barrio" shanties.

good point. but it would have cost venuzuvela less to get contractors to bid on it instead of natzinlisation.

If theres one thing with more potential for corruption then then a state-run enterprise, then it's a private monopoly with state protection.

LOLZ so true.

So you are disproving your point and proving his?

mononokifool wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

Renegade_Kautsky wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

Renegade_Kautsky wrote:

Hopefully this will help provide real housing for people living in "Barrio" shanties.

good point. but it would have cost venuzuvela less to get contractors to bid on it instead of natzinlisation.

If theres one thing with more potential for corruption then then a state-run enterprise, then it's a private monopoly with state protection.

LOLZ so true.

So you are disproving your point and proving his?

so the cement industry was state protected?

mattabesta said:

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so the cement industry was state protected?

I think what mononokifool was saying, was that you went against your own argument for government contracting as opposed to nationalization

Renegade_Kautsky wrote:

mattabesta said:

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so the cement industry was state protected?

I think what mononokifool was saying, was that you went against your own argument for government contracting as opposed to nationalization

if the goverment comes and says ok I want you to build 10,000 houses and I want to see your bids.

company A bids 100coin. company A is a new loan trusting company with littel housebuilding experienc.

company B bids 200coin but is very well funded and has a long history of making good and well lasting houses.

company C bids 125 coin and is relativly new but has recently showed inprovements and has built a few neigburhoods with minimal complaints.

a normal goverment would choos company C becuse it offers low prize to good qalaty this is what goverments do when bulding road or other state owned buildings. Here in iceland the "dam" company is state owned and it makes companyes bid on making it's dams.
whan buildldin our largest dam so far (creates 1.2 gigs and is 200m high)
the goverment saved 1b$ on letting private foregn enterprise buld it.

p.s the forigns lost 300million.

^^ The Venezuelan government is in no way at a shortage of "coin". This is an unnecassary capitalist institution in a country that is (as far as they say) trying to do away with capitalism.

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p.s the forigns lost 300million.

Awesome, cheers all around!!!

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the goverment saved 1b$ on letting private foregn enterprise buld it.

And there's no doubt in my mind that money went straight into the pockets of lobbyists and/or upperclassmen.

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

^^ The Venezuelan government is in no way at a shortage of "coin". This is an unnecassary capitalist institution in a country that is (as far as they say) trying to do away with capitalism.

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p.s the forigns lost 300million.

Awesome, cheers all around!!!

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the goverment saved 1b$ on letting private foregn enterprise buld it.

And there's no doubt in my mind that money went straight into the pockets of lobbyists and/or upperclassmen.

it's ICELAND we have no lobbylists.
the money gose to landsvirkjun and it´s money is kept in bank accunts and used to invest in more dams and priodicly it's owners wich include the state get paid from the found wich is btw billions each year.

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If theres one thing with more potential for corruption then then a state-run enterprise

Nationalization puts industries in the hands of the government so it can corrupt, but it is good for the workers so I support it.

Pannekoek wrote:

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If theres one thing with more potential for corruption then then a state-run enterprise

Nationalization puts industries in the hands of the government so it can corrupt, but it is good for the workers so I support it.

in 2002 icelands cement industry was privatised when the goverment was 1 billion icelandic in debt about it, now the company has more employess and makes money unlike the goverment who was infact loosing money wich the public was paying.