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mattabesta
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Tue May 13, 2008 2:04 am

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
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yup much better than forcing 6,8 billion pepole into slavery ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?


Explain what you mean.

He thinks communism is slavery. Mad That's bull. Communism is rule of the WORKING CLASS (mid class) and viturally ensures the people rule!
acctully it's lower class and they are what 2 billion?
so 4,8 billion into slavery.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Tue May 13, 2008 3:20 am

Its not lower class dumbass its the whole proletariat.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Tue May 13, 2008 6:48 am

mattabesta wrote:
Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
inkus2000 wrote:
yup much better than forcing 6,8 billion pepole into slavery ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?


Explain what you mean.

He thinks communism is slavery. Mad That's bull. Communism is rule of the WORKING CLASS (mid class) and viturally ensures the people rule!
acctully it's lower class and they are what 2 billion?
so 4,8 billion into slavery.
lol, the working class is everyone who works for a wage exactly like watermelon says

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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Tue May 13, 2008 9:17 pm

mononokifool wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
inkus2000 wrote:
yup much better than forcing 6,8 billion pepole into slavery ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?


Explain what you mean.

He thinks communism is slavery. Mad That's bull. Communism is rule of the WORKING CLASS (mid class) and viturally ensures the people rule!
acctully it's lower class and they are what 2 billion?
so 4,8 billion into slavery.
lol, the working class is everyone who works for a wage exactly like watermelon says

oh but what if they donīt want to?
like wunt it be nice to ask pepole first?
like, lets say democartic elections?
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Tue May 13, 2008 9:58 pm

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oh but what if they donīt want to?

Who gives a rat's ass. If they don't want to, the rest of the working class should suffer so they can have a chance to live in luxury?

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like wunt it be nice to ask pepole first?
like, lets say democartic elections?

This has nothing to do with elections. And no, we shouldn't have to ask to be treated humanely. We're not slaves to be had by those lazy pricks who think they can get away with living the high life by siphoning wealth off our labor.

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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sat May 24, 2008 11:14 pm

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oh but what if they donīt want to?

Who gives a rat's ass. If they don't want to, the rest of the working class should suffer so they can have a chance to live in luxury?

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like wunt it be nice to ask pepole first?
like, lets say democartic elections?

This has nothing to do with elections. And no, we shouldn't have to ask to be treated humanely. We're not slaves to be had by those lazy pricks who think they can get away with living the high life by siphoning wealth off our labor.

1. yes I think that it's better that the poor live in povrety rather than force othere pepole to join them.

2.I was just saying revolution is bad...
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 12:47 am

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1. yes I think that it's better that the poor live in povrety rather than force othere pepole to join them.

When did i even give the slightest hint that this is what i want?

You think the riches of the wealthy would just fade away as if they had never existed? I don't understand how you can gather this from material circumstances.

It is capitalism that causes the poverty; we don't aspire to a capitalist society where everyone has a regimented income under a living wage; that's just foolish to believe. You just fail to see the outcome that a communist society would bring.

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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:23 am

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1. yes I think that it's better that the poor live in povrety rather than force othere pepole to join them.

When did i even give the slightest hint that this is what i want?

You think the riches of the wealthy would just fade away as if they had never existed? I don't understand how you can gather this from material circumstances.

It is capitalism that causes the poverty; we don't aspire to a capitalist society where everyone has a regimented income under a living wage; that's just foolish to believe. You just fail to see the outcome that a communist society would bring.

well in communism there is no motivation and no compitition 2 of the driving factors in an econamy so.........
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:32 am

You obviously sont understand marxism. alienation and commodity fetishism will be gone. the productive forces will be highly developed.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:33 am

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well in communism there is no motivation and no compitition 2 of the driving factors in an econamy so.........

No, you assume there is no motivation. Why is the upkeep of a free and just society in a state of abundant wealth not, to you, a valid motivation?

And the lack of competition is hardly a thing to worry about after a social revolution (i believe without it, there won't be a communist society). People can be driven by more than competition. Solidarity, brotherhood, and love can be quite the motivation. That's what keeps me motivated within my political life. There is no economic benefit i receive from political activity, yet i am still politically active.

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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:37 am

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well in communism there is no motivation and no compitition 2 of the driving factors in an econamy so.........

...i think the only "driving forces" in the economy are competition (for the owners of businesses) and survival (the working class)

the drive for survival will never fade away.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:38 am

love, solitary do you relly belev pepole will do that?
I mean we're built for compitition life is just one BIG compititon to stay alive.

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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:39 am

it is human nature to work marx proved it scientifically.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:41 am

no, you don't get it, people don't have to fight competitively for survival, they can work together to ensure their survival....
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:43 am

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no, you don't get it, people don't have to fight competitively for survival, they can work together to ensure their survival....

togethere to insure survival LOL that'S unnessisary since the state is obligated to give evryone the same what ever they do for a living.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:43 am

matt why dont you reply to me instead of picking on the people who dont understand what theyr talking about.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:46 am

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matt why dont you reply to me instead of picking on the people who dont understand what theyr talking about.

becuse they have this thing called a brain wich can store infromation and acctully make an intelligent answer.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:47 am

Oh thanks that is great justification for picking on n00bz instead of trying to confront a legendary scientist.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:48 am

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togethere to insure survival LOL that'S unnessisary since the state is obligated to give evryone the same what ever they do for a living.

...and if the state has shit, it will give shit, so it benefits the worker to put in some effort, so that they don't get shit...following your logic, of course, which seems to be lacking -_-
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:49 am

matt quit preying on the runts
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:51 am

solpacvoicis wrote:
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togethere to insure survival LOL that'S unnessisary since the state is obligated to give evryone the same what ever they do for a living.

...and if the state has shit, it will give shit, so it benefits the worker to put in some effort, so that they don't get shit...following your logic, of course, which seems to be lacking -_-

what?
seems like you and watermelon have more incommmon that I thought.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:51 am

...i'm not a runt...

and he's talking about a state in a communist society...and laughing at communists for thinking that competition breeds better results than cooperation...o.o;;

who's the n00b?
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 1:56 am

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what?
seems like you and watermelon have more incommmon that I thought.

...what did you think i was like instead...? no, never mind, forget that question.

as for a planned socialist economy, the point of this thread...i think that, for an already industrialized nation that is fully capable of surviving on its own without any trade, its a good idea, because then the people can be provided for and protected, and the economy can't be hurt by roving bands of globalized corporations.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 2:02 am

donn compare me to the runt

he is a noob and you are also

planned economy does not mean without trade. it means the production is planned instead of random.
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PostSubject: Re: Can socialist planned economy function?   Sun May 25, 2008 2:05 am

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donn compare me to the runt

he is a noob and you are also

planned economy does not mean without trade. it means the production is planned instead of random.

o.o;; okay then

i know it means planning the economy, i just think it always simplifies things when a national economy is self-sustaining

for example: sanctions against the country don't affect it
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