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I am still against the shedding of unnecessary blood and for a peaceful revolution down through social reform. We need to gradually move into a classless society so we can re-condition people. With a revolution we will have an endless war between factions, the government might break down but there will still be those that fight.

Lol you think the bourgeoisie will gradually cede power to the workers? That's crazy.

Pannekoek wrote:

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I am still against the shedding of unnecessary blood and for a peaceful revolution down through social reform. We need to gradually move into a classless society so we can re-condition people. With a revolution we will have an endless war between factions, the government might break down but there will still be those that fight.

Lol you think the bourgeoisie will gradually cede power to the workers? That's crazy.

No, but the only people who will be against it is the top 1%. And you think killing people will the others on your side? hah, good luck with that. I can only imagine "Join the communist or die"

Property owners would be pissed if you take their property...

thats more than 1 percent.

And It isn't a matter of the ruling class perse

it's SMASHING THE CAPITALIST STATE

that is the ARMED FORCES OF MEN THAT PROTECT AND DEFEND THE RULING CLASS

MarxistFreeman wrote:

Property owners would be pissed if you take their property...

thats more than 1 percent.

And It isn't a matter of the ruling class perse

it's SMASHING THE CAPITALIST STATE

that is the ARMED FORCES OF MEN THAT PROTECT AND DEFEND THE RULING CLASS

With reform they would not need to be protected but led into power

Am i the only person who has read state and revolution?

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I can only imagine "Join the communist or die"

straw man

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Am i the only person who has read state and revolution?

Most likely. Back so soon?

i said i'd be on late

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Am i the only person who has read state and revolution?

uhh, again, i've read it. You may, however, be the only one who conforms to it so.

Just cos mono has read it (not saying he has necessarily), doesn't mean he has to agree with it.

you share the same stance as i on the state though...

Which is what?

that it cannot be reform and needs to be smashed?

Of course i agree with you to that extent. But Lenin goes farther than that basic analysis.

What, like about imperialism?

about how to go about smashing it
and if he should smash it is where he differs for the most part

No, i disagree on the necessity of what it is to be replaced with; namely, socialism. I don't feel it is necessary. If it were to come about, i would support it, as i would any other just movement against capitalism/imperialism, but i don't think it's necessary.

What's necessary? SOcialism? I do. You can't have communism with the masses as backward as they are now. They need to be reeducated lol.

NJNP we are going to debate in a week

I bought our marxist journal on Marxism vs. Anarchism...it'll be on


lol

Niiice. Better start preparing, NJ.

MarxistFreeman wrote:

NJNP we are going to debate in a week

I bought our marxist journal on Marxism vs. Anarchism...it'll be on


lol

Ugh... I'm so sick of debating just because of that thread on morals; it was exhausting reading and replying to all that.

But, i gotta do what i gotta do, right?