Did USSR work? (And impact of WWII in USSR)

Voice of Reason wrote:

You're trying to annoy him by using his real name right?

You're good at making hasty conclusions.

No, I use his real name because I like to adress him that way. Why should it annoy him? Why should it be or appear as an attempt to annoy him?

And more important, what does this have to do with the discussion?

mattabesta wrote:

my name Isn't matthías it's matthías már and you defintly can't pronunce it right.

1. I'm writting your name as it is written in English.
2. You have never listened to me pronouncing or trying to pronounce it so how can you affirm that I deffinitely can't pronounce it?
3. What does it have to do with the discussion?

mattabesta wrote:

yeah it's true they sill had millions of slave workers.

Yeah.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

1. I'm writting your name as it is written in English.
2. You have never listened to me pronouncing or trying to pronounce it so how can you affirm that I deffinitely can't pronounce it?
3. What does it have to do with the discussion?

1. english it's writen mathew.
2.lived in scotland for a while and nobody could pronunce it right.
3. nothing

mattabesta wrote:

1. english it's writen mathew.
2.lived in scotland for a while and nobody could pronunce it right.
3. nothing

1. True. Even though its latin without accent.
2. I'm not scottish.
3. True. So how is it worth to this discussion?

I guess I'll move this part to Spamistan.

You should.

I guess you could say Stalin "accomplished a lot", by killing millions of people. Oh, and they sure won that cold war pretty good!

Judge Dredd wrote:

Patetine wrote:

of course it worked!

Really? Where is it now? Who won the Cold War? Makes me want to ask rhetorical questions.

hmmm, did america spend 1/3 of its economy on wepons, no? ok then your argument has no ground, ussr spent 1/3 of its economy on the military, of course it colapsed

themacintrasher wrote:

I guess you could say Stalin "accomplished a lot", by killing millions of people. Oh, and they sure won that cold war pretty good!

becuse stalin killed mlillions?

I am under the impression that the Communists believe that Stalin, Brezhniv, Kruschev, and Gorbachev did the right thing and that they ultimately won out in the Cold War. But we Americans think that it came out as a stalemate.

themacintrasher wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

themacintrasher wrote:

I guess you could say Stalin "accomplished a lot", by killing millions of people. Oh, and they sure won that cold war pretty good!

becuse stalin killed mlillions?

SARCASM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i know

Jinnyjinster wrote:

I am under the impression that the Communists believe that Stalin, Brezhniv, Kruschev, and Gorbachev did the right thing and that they ultimately won out in the Cold War. But we Americans think that it came out as a stalemate.

Actually, none of the leaders you mention were communist. They were just state capitalists the latter more than the previous. They made USSR collapse for that.

As for who Won the Cold war... my question is: Is it already over??

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Jinnyjinster wrote:

I am under the impression that the Communists believe that Stalin, Brezhniv, Kruschev, and Gorbachev did the right thing and that they ultimately won out in the Cold War. But we Americans think that it came out as a stalemate.

Actually, none of the leaders you mention were communist. They were just state capitalists the latter more than the previous. They made USSR collapse for that.

As for who Won the Cold war... my question is: Is it already over??

so true but he was just meaning the pepole of the ussr

USSR didn't work becous it never was Communistic, the only Communist in USSR was Lenin - and he died 2 years after it was established. No True communist leader would resort to violence, implementing violence on someone is a Book-trick for Fascism and Totalitarianism. Gulags? Kolchoz? Katyń? Thats not a Communist way, at least not in my book, If we we Kill people just for being different are we any better than fascists?.

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

USSR didn't work becous it never was Communistic, the only Communist in USSR was Lenin - and he died 2 years after it was established. No True communist leader would resort to violence, implementing violence on someone is a Book-trick for Fascism and Totalitarianism. Gulags? Kolchoz? Katyń? Thats not a Communist way, at least not in my book, If we we Kill people just for being different are we any better than fascists?.

right.
yay if all communists were like you then communism will never come to exist!

p.s. shun't you be in the communist group by now?

Hah - Yeah true Communism will probably never exist, sad fact but its a system that bases in 90% on Human self respect and loyalty. But hey, can't blame a man for having dreams - at least there good dreams.

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

Hah - Yeah true Communism will probably never exist, sad fact but its a system that bases in 90% on Human self respect and loyalty. But hey, can't blame a man for having dreams - at least there good dreams.

well most pepole do have dreams of riches or fame but live theyer life in a mediocracide way.

how ever if you have no expectations and no dreams you can relax all day long.

Well I like to set myself goals - It what makes me feel alive. Maybe my dreams are most likely not coming true, I want to aim towards them, who knows maybe I'll mark my name on the cards of History? Or maybe I will just some way somehow some time Reach my dreams? And if that chance exist - than its a chance worth living for


... ok I was too serious for too long time 4 ze Randomezz!

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

Well I like to set myself goals - It what makes me feel alive. Maybe my dreams are most likely not coming true, I want to aim towards them, who knows maybe I'll mark my name on the cards of History? Or maybe I will just some way somehow some time Reach my dreams? And if that chance exist - than its a chance worth living for


... ok I was too serious for too long time 4 ze Randomezz!

lolz I like randomness too.

but did you know that there is a hormone that helps pepole cope with pressure but it's disatvantage is that short term memory goes púff bye, bye.

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

USSR didn't work becous it never was Communistic, the only Communist in USSR was Lenin - and he died 2 years after it was established. No True communist leader would resort to violence, implementing violence on someone is a Book-trick for Fascism and Totalitarianism. Gulags? Kolchoz? Katyń? Thats not a Communist way, at least not in my book, If we we Kill people just for being different are we any better than fascists?.

A communist doesn't punish people for being different, he punishes them for being criminals.

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

Hah - Yeah true Communism will probably never exist, sad fact but its a system that bases in 90% on Human self respect and loyalty. But hey, can't blame a man for having dreams - at least there good dreams.

If by true communism you mean something like hippie communism, indeed that will never happen.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

A communist doesn't punish people for being different, he punishes them for being criminals.

I think he just meant what Stalin did in his time. Using the NKVD and all that. So...um, yeah.

lawls

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

A communist doesn't punish people for being different, he punishes them for being criminals.

I think he just meant what Stalin did in his time. Using the NKVD and all that. So...um, yeah.

lawls

Well you need surveillance to stablish a communist state.

You do, but it should be independent, and scan everyone and everything ((as in keep and eye briefly on people, I'm all for freedom of Speech and personal privacy)) - not just people that are "uncomfortable", but also the people that are sopose to be the leaders - If the leader controls every state organ then its a 1 way ticket to power abuse and corruption *cough stalin cough*.
Statistically only about 10% of the people that was deported to Siberia, was actually somewhat guilty of what they wore accused of, and usually it was becous they indeed didn't support what was going on in the state.
15,000 Polish Officers, intellectuals, professors, Boarder Guards - wore mass executed In Katyń forest near Smoleńsk, only becous Stalin called them " ractionist elements that have no chance to reform" and sent them to the dirt as easily as he was asking his room-maid for a cup of tea.
We want someone like that do identify himself a a Communist? I know I don't.

So I rest my case - Stalinism wasn't Communism nuff said

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

You do, but it should be independent, and scan everyone and everything ((as in keep and eye briefly on people, I'm all for freedom of Speech and personal privacy)) - not just people that are "uncomfortable", but also the people that are sopose to be the leaders - If the leader controls every state organ then its a 1 way ticket to power abuse and corruption *cough stalin cough*.

Yes, the government has to be checked as well. In communism, for an instance, administration lives equally as the people and is subject to the same laws.

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

Statistically only about 10% of the people that was deported to Siberia, was actually somewhat guilty of what they wore accused of, and usually it was becous they indeed didn't support what was going on in the state.

I would question the veracity of those figures but in case there were proven reactionary elements they could be, in communism, charged in case of acting (not expressing) against the government.

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

15,000 Polish Officers, intellectuals, professors, Boarder Guards - wore mass executed In Katyń forest near Smoleńsk, only becous Stalin called them " ractionist elements that have no chance to reform" and sent them to the dirt as easily as he was asking his room-maid for a cup of tea.

Many of them could actually be reactionist by that meaning they would have wanted a Poland servile to west, just as the actual government.

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

We want someone like that do identify himself a a Communist? I know I don't.

I myself think Stalin wasn't communist, and if he sincerely thought of himself as one, he had no idea what communism stood for. But ther are useful things that can be learnt from him, specially from certain mistakes.

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

So I rest my case - Stalinism wasn't Communism nuff said

Well the discussion here was not about Stalinism being Communism Was USSR communist? No. Did USSR's leaders attempt to build communism? Their actions give the impression that they didn't and if they did try, they did in a terribly mediocre way for their own possibilities.

USSR was a socialist-tending state capitalism, just that.

True, But about the Katyn boys - Nobody knew for certain if they wore or wore not reactevists, you could just the same spank Children before they go with you shopping cos they might steal something... better make sure...

-_-

You can't punish someone for something they "could have" done, you punish people for what they DID do. End of story

So yah USSR phailed ^^

USSR had some flaws, but it worked!
not a single capitalist country gave their people as many rights as USSR

right to have free education, free health care, right to have a home, right to have a job,...

right to have a divorce, abortion... (many countries still forbid abortions!)