Did USSR work? (And impact of WWII in USSR)

Kenzu wrote:

USSR had some flaws, but it worked!

not a single capitalist country gave their people as many rights as USSR

right to have free education, free health care, right to have a home, right to have a job,...

Yet, the USSR provided people with a mediocre capitalism, one of the reasons for which it collapsed.. for now.

Kenzu wrote:

right to have a divorce, abortion... (many countries still forbid abortions!)

Right to have a divorce is quite widespread and about abortion, specifically in the case of that country, that couldn't have been a worst decision, look at Russia right now, it's literally dying. We've already discussed about abortion in a thread I opened and I guess my position towards it is clear enough. So in my view, USSR also failed to provide people with the proper sexual culture..

Kenzu wrote:

USSR had some flaws, but it worked!
not a single capitalist country gave their people as many rights as USSR

right to have free education, free health care, right to have a home, right to have a job,...

right to have a divorce, abortion... (many countries still forbid abortions!)

oh yeah kenzu the right to vote, free speech, the right to protest and the right of movment.

The right to die becous of tramped up charges, the right for families to snitch on themselves.

Face it USSR twirled around mistrust and Fear

Thats NOT a Communist state

Authoritarian lefty - nothing more

mattabesta wrote:

oh yeah kenzu the right to vote, free speech, the right to protest and the right of movment.

People did vote.
What does free speech stand for? To simply say "Fuck you Nikita?" To fight just for such a thing is in my view mediocre. To protest? I think it happened. Freedom of movement? People could actually travel all around the Soviet Bloc.

While I acknowledge the flaws of the USSR, you got to be objective to judge.

We are doomed to kill each other, or agree to disagree.

Judge Dredd wrote:

But it also stole secrets when it couldn't make technology. American traitors handed over Atomic secrets that could have helped us smash the USSR sooner. Would have been nice, but I'll settle for the long drawn-out effect of crippling Russia. It's satisfying after seeing what the Reds did to family members of mine during Korea and Vietnam.

I suppose that is the past but Capitalism stands strong over Communism/Socialism no matter what.

What ever happened to Judge Dredd....he's got interesting views on this kind of stuff.

BTW, we kind of bombed Japan...twice, so the USSR had alot information on Nuclear weapons before the "traitors" handed

Liche wrote:

What ever happened to Judge Dredd....he's got good views on this kind of stuff.

Now you got to read what it has been replied to him on the issue. As for him, either he got bored, found he didn't have much arguements or both.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Liche wrote:

What ever happened to Judge Dredd....he's got good views on this kind of stuff.

Now you got to read what it has been replied to him on the issue. As for him, either he got bored, found he didn't have much arguements or both.

By good I meant interesting, I updated my post while you were responding, because I realised it suggested I agreed with him.


US nuking USSR = Bad

Liche wrote:

By good I meant interesting, I updated my post while you were responding, because I realised it suggested I agreed with him.


US nuking USSR = Bad

Ah ok.

Yeah, besides USSR was already researching nuclear technology since the 30's.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Liche wrote:

By good I meant interesting, I updated my post while you were responding, because I realised it suggested I agreed with him.


US nuking USSR = Bad

Ah ok.

Yeah, besides USSR was already researching nuclear technology since the 30's.

My point exactly, the US was one of the last "World Powers" to start researching on nuclear energy.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

oh yeah kenzu the right to vote, free speech, the right to protest and the right of movment.

People did vote.
What does free speech stand for? To simply say "Fuck you Nikita?" To fight just for such a thing is in my view mediocre. To protest? I think it happened. Freedom of movement? People could actually travel all around the Soviet Bloc.

While I acknowledge the flaws of the USSR, you got to be objective to judge.

INSIDE THE SOVIET BLOCK. yes so that we can say fuck you niceta. protest, yes happens but is usally killed off.

Liche wrote:

My point exactly, the US was one of the last "World Powers" to start researching on nuclear energy.

Hell. The Americans couldn't have gotten their nukes with the help of some German scientist named Einstein.

Shows just how "superior" the US is, right? Just so long as you get help from other people, make it better, then take all the credit, it's okay to steal German/European technology and give them the second hand me downs.

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:

Liche wrote:

My point exactly, the US was one of the last "World Powers" to start researching on nuclear energy.

Hell. The Americans couldn't have gotten their nukes with the help of some German scientist named Einstein.

Shows just how "superior" the US is, right? Just so long as you get help from other people, make it better, then take all the credit, it's okay to steal German/European technology and give them the second hand me downs.

umm einstein and nearly All well educated pycisists knew of this
the americans developed independently the nuclear bomb.

lol, think what you want. I've seen more than numerous accounts that Einstein partically was right there with American scientists helping them build that nuke.

If you ask me, I think the Americans have stolen MUCH more technology than the Russians did. At least Russians KNEW what they were doing.

Did the USSR work ?

Lets make one thing clear the USSR did work, just not for a long time Lol:D

First:
Stalins five year plans 1928- to take the USSR from an underdevolped backwater into an industrial superpower where very successful. Not only this, but the pace of industrialization in the USSR 'which was without finacial reliance on any other nation' was faster than it had been in Germany and Japan in years before. The USSR economy continued to do very well through ww2. By 1950 it was the largest economy in Europe. It reached its peak in 1970 when it was est 60% the size of the US economy. Only in the mid 70s -80s did the economy stagnate due to poor manegment, corruption and political unrest esp nationalism in Eastern Europe. Another problem was the nelect of light industry and consumer goods . All of these factors helped bring the USSR to a standstill until the planned economy was discarded.

In my opinion the socialist planned economy did work and worked 'very' well, it suceeded in bringing Russia from a semi feudal state to economic superpower. If it had been managed better it would still exist today.

Of course idiotic right wing Americans claim the fall of the USSR means socialist economy cannot work - this is beyond stupidity.

Although I agree on the factors that made Soviet capitalism fail, USSR failed to be an example of socialism.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Although I agree on the factors that made Soviet capitalism fail, USSR failed to be an example of socialism.

the ussr faild from inner currubtion and the millatary.

mattabesta wrote:

the ussr faild from inner currubtion and the millatary.

*failed, corruption, military.

USSR had a capitalist economy with more expenses than incomes and which contradicted its political nature.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

the ussr faild from inner currubtion and the millatary.

*failed, corruption, military.

USSR had a capitalist economy with more expenses than incomes and which contradicted its political nature.

becuse o currubtion and overspending in the millatary, right?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Although I agree on the factors that made Soviet capitalism fail, USSR failed to be an example of socialism.

Well it failed to be an example of communism yes.
It did however prove that a 'socialist market economy' can function.

Besides Marx's theory of history states that socialism comes before communism, it has been argued that true communism cannot come to pass and that socialism is the final stage of development.

inkus2000 wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Although I agree on the factors that made Soviet capitalism fail, USSR failed to be an example of socialism.

Well it failed to be an example of communism yes.
It did however prove that a 'socialist market economy' can function.

Besides Marx's theory of history states that socialism comes before communism, it has been argued that true communism cannot come to pass and that socialism is the final stage of development.

lol now argue that pleas becuse I theoreticly think you ARE WRONG.

lol now argue that pleas becuse I theoreticly think you ARE WRONG.[/quote]



'Explain' how you think I am wrong.

Let me guess your a free market liberal who thinks that the downfall of the USSR somehow proves that all planned economies cannot function ?

inkus2000 wrote:

lol now argue that pleas becuse I theoreticly think you ARE WRONG.

'Explain' how you think I am wrong.

Let me guess your a free market liberal who thinks that the downfall of the USSR somehow proves that all planned economies cannot function ?[/quote]

no I just think socalism works but paranoia dose not.

mattabesta wrote:

but paranoia dose not.

lol, tell that one to the capitalist Americans who are rude and think capitalism can take over the world simply because "communism" failed.

In truth, it was mostly internal conflicts that broke up most USSR satelite states. Nothing to do with economy or anything.

If you want my opinion, I think capitalism in America is failing as well.

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

but paranoia dose not.

lol, tell that one to the capitalist Americans who are rude and think capitalism can take over the world simply because "communism" failed.

In truth, it was mostly internal conflicts that broke up most USSR satelite states. Nothing to do with economy or anything.

If you want my opinion, I think capitalism in America is failing as well.

lol how so ??
paranioa is the part were 30% of gpd was spent on the lillatary while the us spent 3%