Deportation of Stalin into Gulag

Stalin was both a blessing and a curse. Nobody can claim that they could do a better job than he did, because we live in different times and have different views. The Steel Man was a cold-hearted bastard who was indirectly responsible for millions of deaths, yet he laid the foundation for a modernized USSR which would otherwise have crumbled away much sooner.

I love Soviet iconography more than anything, and as a figurehead I think Stalin was amazing. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that he is more iconic than Lenin, Hitler, Napoleon and the like. What he did in the background was horrible, and I am indeed being sympathetic with the Devil here, but I nonetheless think fondly of what he always represented to me, through all the images; Strength, courage, and a drive to reach for the stars.

This is why I vote for him to have a place in the Hall of Fame; For what he represented, the feelings he invoked and still manages to awaken, rather than his crimes, which were undeniably plentiful.

Sinitron wrote:

Stalin was both a blessing and a curse. Nobody can claim that they could do a better job than he did, because we live in different times and have different views. The Steel Man was a cold-hearted bastard who was indirectly responsible for millions of deaths, yet he laid the foundation for a modernized USSR which would otherwise have crumbled away much sooner.

I love Soviet iconography more than anything, and as a figurehead I think Stalin was amazing. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that he is more iconic than Lenin, Hitler, Napoleon and the like. What he did in the background was horrible, and I am indeed being sympathetic with the Devil here, but I nonetheless think fondly of what he always represented to me, through all the images; Strength, courage, and a drive to reach for the stars.

This is why I vote for him to have a place in the Hall of Fame; For what he represented, the feelings he invoked and still manages to awaken, rather than his crimes, which were undeniably plentiful.

Trotsky would have done a much better job.

Sinitron wrote:

In fact, I'd go as far as to say that he is more iconic than Lenin, Hitler, Napoleon and the like.

i would say that Che Guevara is way more iconic than Lenin, Hitler, Napoleon and including Stalin espacily with the picture taken by Alberto Korda

mattabesta wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

industrialization and victory it the highest price

what??
i don't get it?

I mean there is no way to define Stalin as a hero or villain
when you use one it condradicts the other

ant leader would have seen the senes in industralaysation(soz)
my books say he killed 8-20 million undirectly and directly.
most of those deaths were becuse of his new idear for farming wich killed a minimum of 5 million.

don't forget just killing for no resign

BolshevikClock wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

industrialization and victory it the highest price

what??
i don't get it?

I mean there is no way to define Stalin as a hero or villain
when you use one it condradicts the other

ant leader would have seen the senes in industralaysation(soz)
my books say he killed 8-20 million undirectly and directly.
most of those deaths were becuse of his new idear for farming wich killed a minimum of 5 million.

don't forget just killing for no resign

yup and starving political enimeis

oligarch wrote:

Trotsky would have done a much better job.

Trotsky wasn't a patriot of his country, thus he couldn't be a good leader.

Riddler wrote:

[quote="oligarch]Trotsky would have done a much better job.

Trotsky wasn't a patriot of his country, thus he couldn't be a good leader.[/quote]
only one prob with trotski
he was planing a global revolution

BolshevikClock wrote:

Riddler wrote:

[quote="oligarch]Trotsky would have done a much better job.

Trotsky wasn't a patriot of his country, thus he couldn't be a good leader.

only one prob with trotski
he was planing a global revolution[/quote]
Dosn't seem like a problem to me. A global revolution is what is needed

ilych wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

Riddler wrote:

[quote="oligarch]Trotsky would have done a much better job.

Trotsky wasn't a patriot of his country, thus he couldn't be a good leader.

only one prob with trotski
he was planing a global revolution

Dosn't seem like a problem to me. A global revolution is what is needed[/quote]
not out of mass invasion
its a way to turn the people away from you

Socialism in one country is anti-Marxist internationalism doesn't mean imperialism.

Communism can work in nearly autharchic countries like USSR, China or Brazil. For a revolution to succeed globally, at least ones autharcic socialist power should arise in order to assist growing less independent nations in their construction of socialism.

yeah but that socialist power need to have almost selfsufficiant economy.

Ryom wrote:

yeah but that socialist power need to have almost selfsufficiant economy.

That's why I said "nearly to fully autharchic" and countries like USSR, China and Brazil have this kind of autharchic potencial.

BolshevikClock wrote:

ilych wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

Riddler wrote:

[quote="oligarch]Trotsky would have done a much better job.

Trotsky wasn't a patriot of his country, thus he couldn't be a good leader.

only one prob with trotski
he was planing a global revolution

Dosn't seem like a problem to me. A global revolution is what is needednot out of mass invasion
its a way to turn the people away from you

How do you see a leader of a country, who is not patriotic? He will just get the whole thing fucked up, like Gorbachov or Eltsin. Stalin uderstood that first he must build socialism in one particular country, then spread it across the globe.

Riddler wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

ilych wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

Riddler wrote:

[quote="oligarch]Trotsky would have done a much better job.

Trotsky wasn't a patriot of his country, thus he couldn't be a good leader.

only one prob with trotski
he was planing a global revolution

Dosn't seem like a problem to me. A global revolution is what is needednot out of mass invasion
its a way to turn the people away from you

How do you see a leader of a country, who is not patriotic? He will just get the whole thing fucked up, like Gorbachov or Eltsin. Stalin uderstood that first he must build socialism in one particular country, then spread it across the globe.

no stalin understood he had to build the econamy so he could prove that communism was better and he faild.
by the end of the cold war russia spent 25% of it's gpd on the army but the us 3% yet theyr armyes were were even in strength.

mattabesta wrote:

Riddler wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

ilych wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

Riddler wrote:

[quote="oligarch]Trotsky would have done a much better job.

Trotsky wasn't a patriot of his country, thus he couldn't be a good leader.

only one prob with trotski
he was planing a global revolution

Dosn't seem like a problem to me. A global revolution is what is needednot out of mass invasion
its a way to turn the people away from you

How do you see a leader of a country, who is not patriotic? He will just get the whole thing fucked up, like Gorbachov or Eltsin. Stalin uderstood that first he must build socialism in one particular country, then spread it across the globe.

no stalin understood he had to build the econamy so he could prove that communism was better and he faild.
by the end of the cold war russia spent 25% of it's gpd on the army but the us 3% yet theyr armyes were were even in strength.

In the time of the Cold War, Stalin was already dead. USSR was strongest country just before the WW II.

Riddler wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

Riddler wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

ilych wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

Riddler wrote:

[quote="oligarch]Trotsky would have done a much better job.

Trotsky wasn't a patriot of his country, thus he couldn't be a good leader.

only one prob with trotski
he was planing a global revolution

Dosn't seem like a problem to me. A global revolution is what is needednot out of mass invasion
its a way to turn the people away from you

How do you see a leader of a country, who is not patriotic? He will just get the whole thing fucked up, like Gorbachov or Eltsin. Stalin uderstood that first he must build socialism in one particular country, then spread it across the globe.

no stalin understood he had to build the econamy so he could prove that communism was better and he faild.
by the end of the cold war russia spent 25% of it's gpd on the army but the us 3% yet theyr armyes were were even in strength.

In the time of the Cold War, Stalin was already dead. USSR was strongest country just before the WW II.

It was by far the smallest super power. germany outdid all by far.
U know nothing go read

mattabesta wrote:

It was by far the smallest super power. germany outdid all by far.
U know nothing go read

It was the strongest country in the world in the middle of 30-ies. Germany managed to invade USSR when the Soviets didn't expected it, because they had signed a treaty with the Germans. And I had read a lot on this subject.

Riddler wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

It was by far the smallest super power. germany outdid all by far.
U know nothing go read

It was the strongest country in the world in the middle of 30-ies. Germany managed to invade USSR when the Soviets didn't expected it, because they had signed a treaty with the Germans. And I had read a lot on this subject.

lol like i said you know nothing of this stalin dint get one warning he din't get tens he got hundreds.
umm could be that ussr was strong but no stronger it had just been trou a devistating war with finnland and a civil war.

Riddler wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

It was by far the smallest super power. germany outdid all by far.
U know nothing go read

It was the strongest country in the world in the middle of 30-ies. Germany managed to invade USSR when the Soviets didn't expected it, because they had signed a treaty with the Germans. And I had read a lot on this subject.

Stalin knew full well that Hitler was going to invade and that was the reason for the Winter War etc., but the USSR was very weak in the 30's

and Hitlers Blitzkrieg tactic was also very effective

oligarch wrote:

Riddler wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

It was by far the smallest super power. germany outdid all by far.
U know nothing go read

It was the strongest country in the world in the middle of 30-ies. Germany managed to invade USSR when the Soviets didn't expected it, because they had signed a treaty with the Germans. And I had read a lot on this subject.

Stalin knew full well that Hitler was going to invade and that was the reason for the Winter War etc., but the USSR was very weak in the 30's

yeas you see even your commei friends aggre

Wall of fame.

kahnsguard wrote:

Wall of fame.

How can you say this when your avatar is Che who was against Stalinism and your quote is not only ant-Stalinist but is by Trotsky?

He was an overzealous crusader of communism, too authoritarian and bringing great suffering to many, too much to be considered great.

However, he was a great radical who basically overhauled the industry, so he's too good to be in the gulag.