Deportation of Stalin into Gulag

carmen510 wrote:

However, he was a great radical who basically overhauled the industry, so he's too good to be in the gulag.

The famine and exploitation that were inflicted in order to achieve industrialization were far to great for Stalin to be praised for it; though it did help in the Second World War.

oligarch wrote:

kahnsguard wrote:

Wall of fame.

How can you say this when your avatar is Che who was against Stalinism and your quote is not only ant-Stalinist but is by Trotsky?

Because I can.

kahnsguard wrote:

oligarch wrote:

kahnsguard wrote:

Wall of fame.

How can you say this when your avatar is Che who was against Stalinism and your quote is not only ant-Stalinist but is by Trotsky?

Because I can.

lol silent shoter eh, goin all with it?

BolshevikClock wrote:

Mr.fredy5 wrote:

Diogritor wrote:

Save the USSR from Nazi-Germany. yea he did nothing good! and plus..look at that face, you cant stay mad at him long!

Yes with that grin that would make a mirror shater you just want to hug and kiss him.

BolshevikClock wrote:

Mr.fredy5 wrote:

Diogritor wrote:

Save the USSR from Nazi-Germany. yea he did nothing good! and plus..look at that face, you cant stay mad at him long!

Yes with that grin that would make a mirror shater you just want to hug and kiss him.

lololololol damm buttons

But really
He was hardly any better then Hitler

BolshevikClock wrote:

But really
He was hardly any better then Hitler

He didn't killed peple because of their nationalities, plus Hitler didn't do anything good for his country.

Riddler wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

But really
He was hardly any better then Hitler

He didn't killed peple because of their nationalities, plus Hitler didn't do anything good for his country.

He did a tiny bit of good, with jobs.

Riddler wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

But really
He was hardly any better then Hitler

He didn't killed peple because of their nationalities, plus Hitler didn't do anything good for his country.

He did kill nationalists.

Riddler wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

But really
He was hardly any better then Hitler

He didn't killed peple because of their nationalities, plus Hitler didn't do anything good for his country.

dose it matter wether you kill pepole becuse of theyer nationalaty
wether you kill a bad person or a good one your still a bad person and stalin kill more pepole than hitler.

mattabesta wrote:

Riddler wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

But really
He was hardly any better then Hitler

He didn't killed peple because of their nationalities, plus Hitler didn't do anything good for his country.

dose it matter wether you kill pepole becuse of theyer nationalaty
wether you kill a bad person or a good one your still a bad person and stalin kill more pepole than hitler.

if i Killed a cerial killer i would consiter myself a hero
and the reasons why someone is killed is a big deal

mattabesta wrote:

Riddler wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

But really
He was hardly any better then Hitler

He didn't killed peple because of their nationalities, plus Hitler didn't do anything good for his country.

dose it matter wether you kill pepole becuse of theyer nationalaty
wether you kill a bad person or a good one your still a bad person and stalin kill more pepole than hitler.

Killing 6 000 000 jews was Hitler's order, while some people killed in Russia were killed without Stalin's will or direct order.

Riddler wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

Riddler wrote:

BolshevikClock wrote:

But really
He was hardly any better then Hitler

He didn't killed peple because of their nationalities, plus Hitler didn't do anything good for his country.

dose it matter wether you kill pepole becuse of theyer nationalaty
wether you kill a bad person or a good one your still a bad person and stalin kill more pepole than hitler.

Killing 6 000 000 jews was Hitler's order, while some people killed in Russia were killed without Stalin's will or direct order.

At the end of 1930s, Stalin launched the Great Purges, a major campaign of repression against millions of people who were suspected of being a threat to the party were executed or exiled to Gulag labor camps in remote areas of Siberia or Central Asia. A number of ethnic groups in Russia were also forcibly resettled.

Confiscations of grain and other food by the Soviet authorities under his orders contributed to a famine between 1932 and 1934, especially in the key agricultural regions of the Soviet Union, Ukraine (see Holodomor), Kazakhstan and North Caucasus that resulted in millions of deaths. Many peasants resisted collectivization and grain confiscations, but were repressed, most notably well-off peasants deemed "kulaks".^[8]

In the first years of collectivization it was estimated that industrial production would rise by 200% and agricultural production by 50%^[31], but these estimates were not met. Stalin blamed this unanticipated failure on kulaks (rich peasants), who resisted collectivization. (However, kulaks proper made up only 4% of the peasant population; the "kulaks" that Stalin targeted included the slightly better-off peasants who took the brunt of violence from the OGPU and the Komsomol. These peasants were about 60% of the population). Those officially defined as "kulaks," "kulak helpers," and later "ex-kulaks" were to be shot, placed into Gulag labor camps, or deported to remote areas of the country, depending on the charge.

Many historians assert that the disruption caused by collectivization was largely responsible for major famines

According to Alan Bullock, "the total Soviet grain crop was no worse than that of 1931 … it was not a crop failure but the excessive demands of the state, ruthlessly enforced, that cost the lives of as many as five million Ukrainian peasants." Stalin refused to release large grain reserves that could have alleviated the famine, while continuing to export grain; he was convinced that the Ukrainian peasants had hidden grain away, and strictly enforced draconian new collective-farm theft laws in response

Famine affected other parts of the USSR. The death toll from famine in the Soviet Union at this time is estimated at between five and ten million people. The worst crop failure of late tsarist Russia, in 1892, had caused 375,000 to 400,000 deaths.

Although born in Georgia, Stalin became a Russian nationalist and significantly promoted Russian history, language, and Russian national heroes, particularly during the 1930s and 1940s. He held the Russians up as the elder brothers of the non-Russian minorities.

Stalin's role in the fortunes of the Russian Orthodox Church is complex. Continuous persecution in the 1930s resulted in its near-extinction: by 1939, active parishes numbered in the low hundreds (down from 54,000 in 1917), many churches had been leveled, and tens of thousands of priests, monks and nuns were persecuted and killed. Over 100,000 were shot during the purges of 1937–1938.^[51][52] During World War II, the Church was allowed a revival as a patriotic organization, after the NKVD had recruited the new metropolitan, the first after the revolution, as a secret agent. Thousands of parishes were reactivated until a further round of suppression in Khrushchev's time.

Just days before Stalin's death, certain religious sects were outlawed and persecuted.
Many religions popular in the ethnic regions of the Soviet Union including the Roman Catholic Church, Uniats, Baptists, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. underwent ordeals similar to the Orthodox churches in other parts: thousands of monks were persecuted, and hundreds of churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, sacred monuments, monasteries and other religious buildings were razed.

now do you stil think stalin was a good man?

mattabesta wrote:

Butnow do you stil think stalin was a good man?

I think that statement which says that he killed millions of people is nothing, but a result of american propoganda. I know that a lot of people were executed in Soviet Russia because of initiative of some law enforcers who killed innocent people to get higher in ranks. Plus, the statement, which says that Stalin was a Russian nationalist is absolutely a lie. He treated all nationalities equally.

Riddler wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

Butnow do you stil think stalin was a good man?

I think that statement which says that he killed millions of people is nothing, but a result of american propoganda. I know that a lot of people were executed in Soviet Russia because of initiative of some law enforcers who killed innocent people to get higher in ranks. Plus, the statement, which says that Stalin was a Russian nationalist is absolutely a lie. He treated all nationalities equally.

i choose not to argue with you anymore.

Riddler wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

Butnow do you stil think stalin was a good man?

I think that statement which says that he killed millions of people is nothing, but a result of american propoganda. I know that a lot of people were executed in Soviet Russia because of initiative of some law enforcers who killed innocent people to get higher in ranks. Plus, the statement, which says that Stalin was a Russian nationalist is absolutely a lie. He treated all nationalities equally.

No, I think he treated Georgian people much better than anyone else!
and if not, then he treated all nationalities equal...
...cruely!

Kenzu wrote:

No, I think he treated Georgian people much better than anyone else!
and if not, then he treated all nationalities equal...
...cruely!

That's not true. He wasn't a Georgian nationalist. His governement was formed by peple of different nationalities.

whatever, I dont like him.

Maybe he has not ordered to kill those people, but he ordered people to "fill quotas". The NKVD officers had to find a set amount of "enemies of the state" in each city and in each region. That has been proven, it isnt western propaganda.

Kenzu wrote:

whatever, I dont like him.

Maybe he has not ordered to kill those people, but he ordered people to "fill quotas". The NKVD officers had to find a set amount of "enemies of the state" in each city and in each region. That has been proven, it isnt western propaganda.

I think you should give up this man can not take simpl fackts

Kenzu wrote:

whatever, I dont like him.

Maybe he has not ordered to kill those people, but he ordered people to "fill quotas". The NKVD officers had to find a set amount of "enemies of the state" in each city and in each region. That has been proven, it isnt western propaganda.

He still ordered the creation of gulags and had them filled with political prisoners who were used as forced laborers and millions of them were executed. Those are proven facts not propaganda. And what about the Moscow Trials?

I think political repression of those who pragmatically oppose your system is comprehensible. Not repression of expression but of subversive action.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I think political repression of those who pragmatically oppose your system is comprehensible. Not repression of expression but of subversive action.

pragmatically ?
comprehensible?

mattabesta wrote:

pragmatically ?
comprehensible?

Pragmatically is like saying with facts, with actions. Nut just in theory. In this case, pragmatical opposition would be represented by sabotage, revolts, etc. Instead of just verbal criticisim.

Comprehensible is synonim to "understandable".

Stalin gives Humanity a bad name - nuff said, If you want to build a Paradice on People's corpse Riddler, your nothing more than a Authoritarian left - not a Communist